Is a German Military Victory Possible?
- s_sen
- not_him_again
- nuetral
- s_sen
- bkay10
- Jussi_L
- not_him_again
- bkay10
- AnchoritSybarite
- paulyg1944
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» s_sen - Curious
Two questions which come to mind when thinking about whether or not a German victory was possible.1. How much manpower did the Nazis utilize (waste) in its persecution of the Jews, ie. running and building concentration camps, rounding up the Jewish population in Poland, Russia, France, etc.
Could these resources have been utilized elsewhere?
2. What would have resulted had the Germans fostered the good will that in some areas was directed toward them in the initial stages of Barbarossa, as I have read that many viewed the first Germans as liberators?
Obviously these are major ideological shifts in Nazi policy and completely improbable under Hitler, but I did feel that it was worth pondering.
-- posted by s_sen
» not_him_again - It certainly can be argued that Hitler's racial policies were h
It certainly can be argued that Hitler's racial policies were his undoing; if he had invaded the USSR as an anti communist crusade, and come as a liberator, the Russian campaign might well have turned out differently.If Hitler's regime had been simply an ultra authouritarian regime, instead of a racial fascist one, it would have gotten support from various anti communist sources, and it might not have ran afoul of England. Chamberlain was more worried about communism than Hitler, IMO.
And, of course, Hitler lost considerable intellectual talent with his racial policies- among such, if I remember correctly, was Albert Einstein.
-- posted by not_him_again
» nuetral - It is often said that the Jews are a race, I disagree.
It is often said that the Jews are a race, I disagree. I think that this is an anti-semitic myth. I have seen blood hair, blued Jews, black Jews and even Asian Jews.According to my encyclopedia ,Israel has one of the greatest racial mixes in the world.
One of the great tragedies of the holocaust for Germany, was the destruction of the German Jewish population.
A population that LARGELY saw itself as German as much as a German who is catholic.
The German Jews(perhaps because of culture associated with their religion), disproportionally contributed to Germany's culture in science and industry.
Germany lost as a result, a priceless component of it's culture, the great tragedy is these German Jews were German, and many of them had fought with great distinction in the First World War, and were proud of their German heritiage.
-- posted by nuetral
» s_sen - Race or not?
Neutral,Two points:
First, I think a distinction needs to be made when referring to people who are Jewish. Ethnic background or religous belief.
Second, I think it would be fair to say for ethnic purposes that any Jewish person would be able to (hypothetically) trace there heritage back to the twelve tribes of Isreal. The differences in hair, skin, eye color may be attributed to the period after the Diaspora.
As for the Nazis I really doubt this distinction mattered.
Of course, I am probably way out on a limb here as this would not be an area that I have studied much so I would be curious about the thoughts of others on this.
-- posted by s_sen
» bkay10 - Brian on Picketts charge
Saw your comment on "walking the area of Picketts charge" and wonder if you could go into some detail, as you've obviously done so. I know this isn't the board for unCivil War matters (war of Northern Aggression) but I'd really like to know what you found there. Alas, I haven't been there.Much too sad. Hope am not out of line with request. Thanks. bk
-- posted by bkay10
» Jussi_L - Russia vs. Finland ´39-40
I noticed someone earlier claiming that Russians failed to invade Finland because of the Mannerheim-line. I must disagree, because the infamous Mannerheim-line consisted only of few separate strongpoints of concrete pillboxes and hand-dug trenches.It was the harsh winter and the strong will to defend our small homeland that stopped the massive Russian attack of ´39.
svenschrek9, the allied (French and English mainly) were infact planning to assist the Finnish war-effort in January-February 1940. The plans were ready, but the Swedish government denied passage through. And the real intent of allies was not to help Finland, but to use it as an excuse to cut off from Germany the precious mines in Northern Sweden
-- posted by Jussi_L
» not_him_again - Picketts charge
Well, the answer is, that the ground is totally unsuited for a charge- it might as well be a shooting gallery, especially for artillery. It literally is a long field with virtually no cover.Those men must have LOVED that guy- especially when they were ready to do it again, even after the slaughter. Whatever anyone can say about the Army of northern Virginia, they certainly were not cowards. And Lee made them heroes- but that isn't always enough in war.
I, and my wife, were there with the editor of the Civil War section- Mike Swogger. I highly recommend his site- and, BTW, you will find few who are such a gentleman as he is in discussions. And he has an excellent knowledge of his subject.
It appears from the field, that Lee was counting too much on artillery support,and , I suspect, he thought Stewart would be able to harass the Union troops from the rear once he got done with custer- which also didn't work out.
Lee was great, but this failing, of carrying an offensive too far, sometimes got him in trouble.
He needed Jackson to remind him that the Rebs had legs as well as arms, and the Union armies were usually not able to deal with well thought out aggressive maneuvers against the Union Flanks or rear- such as Chancellorsville.
-- posted by not_him_again
» AnchoritSybarite - I hope that you have seen
the documentary which comes to the conclusion that the charge failed due to the presence of the double railed fence along the Sunken Road. According to the film, perhaps the attack was not the totally doomed act that it has come to be seen as.-- posted by AnchoritSybarite
» paulyg1944 - Re: Stalins plans
In response to Stalins plans posted by not_him_again:I feel your right to certain extent but we have to look at who was in command,Hitler made 3 major mistakes that were very costly to every aspect of military success.(1)the german army wre in a very good posision to take moscow.stalins gov. were getting ready to evacuate when the germans were at the door but hitler held back.(2)Britain was in total shambles at dunkirk.Germany could of bagged them all but hitler held back.(3)We all know that hitler slept until 4 on d day.If he would of trusted his generals to act on their own then all the panzers would of been in a very good posision to knock the allies back to england.Im not saying they could of done it but it would of turned out very different
-- posted by paulyg1944
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