Roses of Another Stripe: Curiosities of the Rose World
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» Deb_TT - Carol, I firmly believe that beginning Rose gardeners start w
Carol,I firmly believe that beginning Rose gardeners start with the old fashioned roses. It seems that most tend to jump into the hybrid teas. Of course it maybe because it's the most prolific at the nurseries. 
If they could start with the gallicas, rosas and damasks certainly less problematic! I think they work better in the landscape, certainly nicer foliage and shape.
I also have a damask rose and don't know the name. Blush buds opening to white with a blush center aging to white. Wonderful to make rose water from! The fragrance is out of this world! I did make rose water from the versicolor and it was a wonderful burgundy-pink color.
I want to add some gallicas to my garden so yes on an article on gallicas, I would look forward to!
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» Carol Wallace - It's already in the works, Debbie. I started it this afternoon.
It's already in the works, Debbie. I started it this afternoon.I wonder which Damask rose you have? At first I thought it might be Celsiana. The online picture makes it appear really bright pink, but that's terribly misleading. Mine is very pale, and fades to white as it ages, with the center staying pink. But they don't open to white as you say yours does. Is it a repeat bloomer -- a Damask Perpetual? Or a species Damask? Carol (virtually gardening)
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» Deb_TT - It's a species Damask. If I deadhead it will give a second light
It's a species Damask. If I deadhead it will give a second light sprinkle of blossoms but not always. The buds are pink and you could say it is a bit blush on opening but more cream than pink? In one of my rose books there are quite a few that answers the description. It would be nice to identify it.I did a search in Yesterday's Roses and found this one. Mme. Hardy Damask (parentage unrecorded), Hardy, 1832. This is amazingly close to mine, but there are a few others that fit the description also.
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» Deb_TT - Carol, I looked at the Mme.Hardy article again and noted that my
Carol, I looked at the Mme.Hardy article again and noted that my damask also has the green pointel in the center of the bloom. Are there many more that have this? Perhaps this is mine?I did notice yesterday's rose has a photo of Celsiana and it isn't as bright pink as the other photo. That looks like a real beauty!
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» Carol Wallace - I've been looking at Mme. Hardy, too, Debbie, and the only thing
I've been looking at Mme. Hardy, too, Debbie, and the only thing that makes me hesitate is that you mentioned a light rebloom. The species damask roses don't rebloom, as a rule, and I can't find anything suggesting that Mme. Hardy is an exception. Graham Stuart Thomas does make a big deal out of that green "eye", whihc seems to be a specific characteristic of this rose. He also mentions that this is suspected of not being purely a damask rose, but perhaps part centifolia.Are you sure you get a rebloom, and not just an extended bloom? Carol (virtually gardening)-- posted by Carol Wallace
» Deb_TT - Carol, I am never sure of anything! :) About the time I am sure
Carol,I am never sure of anything!
About the time I am sure of something and open my mouth about it, I am proven wrong!It could be an extension of the original bloom, and I convinced myself it was a rebloom. I am sure it is a species Damask, but read the preceeding paragraph again! When I bought it, I remember being told it was a very old rose. I bought the Versicolor at the same time, along with Altissimo and Aloha. Aloha I left behind and Altissimo I lost from a mole digging underneath. I miss the single red blossom of that rose and may try it again at the new place.
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» Carol Wallace - Debbie, I think that's one of the fascinating things about garde
Debbie, I think that's one of the fascinating things about gardening. No matter how much you think you know, there's always something you need to find out about. I'll muddle through my old rose books and see if I can find any white roses with blush centers and a green eye that are pure damasks.Meanwhile, I just found a link for striped rose lovers that I didn't include in the article -- and I assume that having read the article once, few people go back. So I'll add it here. The Striped Rose Gallery lists most striped roses in commerce, gives their species and color, and sources where they can be purchased. In many cases, they also provide a link to a picture. Carol (virtually gardening)
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» Carol Wallace - After much searching, I think I may have found your Damask rose,
After much searching, I think I may have found your Damask rose, Debbie. There is one called Madame Zoetmans which is described as "upright, spreading bushes, darkish green foliage although new foliage is reddish." Sound right so far? The key is the bloom, though Mme Hardy was listed almost everywhere as "the whitest of the white." Mme. Zoetmans is listed as white with a pale pink/peach center and -- a prominent green eye!I still have found no information about it repeating. But there is one Damask, Quatre Saisons whihc does -- so perhaps they are related in some way. Carol (virtually gardening)
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» Deb_TT - Carol, Now I am trying to remember if the new growth is red or
Carol,Now I am trying to remember if the new growth is red or not. I will print this out and when I see new growth next year (unless it grows some more this year). This could be it! Anyway I can certainly now have more an idea of what cultivar this is, or at least close to it. Foliage is dark green, a very pretty green and it looks good even when not in bloom. I definately like that about this rose. So many roses need something to hide their ugly legs! Thanks for all the help in identifying this rose. I will let you know about the red new foliage or not.
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