Celeborn Unplugged
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- Michael_Martinez
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» desertblue - I like this piece
very cool. The intro part is an enjoyable rant, which changes tracks at some point to develop possible backstory and motivations of an all-too-easily dismissed character.Why isn't Celeborn a member of the White Council? My guess is that's he's more of a warrior, tactician or frontiersman (like a Texas Ranger) and that's where he focuses his attentions, while Galadriel enjoys plots and lore and long-range planning. Different interests but compatible, considering where they live.
-- posted by desertblue
» Michael_Martinez - Re: I like this piece
In response to message posted by desertblue:I thought about addressing that question (since I raised it), but there is really nothing to say. We don't know if Celeborn was on the White Council or not.
-- posted by Michael_Martinez
» dkwolf - Celeborn
Like many, I've read and re-read the books so many times I've worn out several sets over the years. Celeborn is one of the many characters that are touched upon at a specific point in the story that you know, has a much deeper history and part then what obvious.I enjoyed reading Michael's perception and view of these characters and how they fit into the over all history and picture. Something I've noticed that a lot of readers tend to do, they focus on the now and the here in a story, and don't spend much time really considering the characters position.
I agree that we have no list of who's who of the white council, nor do we really know how active Celeborn may have been in such things. I agree with what Michael wrote about Celeborn. My personal perception of the elf leader his history was more in line with that of a wise king. He ruled Lothlorien as wisely as any elf could have. Lorien comes across as strong, a last bastion of true elven power in middle earth and while I am willing to grant that Galadriel and her hidden ring had a lot to do with it, I also felt that Celeborns even handedness and willingness to change with new events and demands must have played a important part.
In contrast to the more lofty and spiritual persona of Galadriel, Celeborn's part had more impact on the fellowships course.
Just think about it for a moment. What if he had refused to accept Galadriel's adomation on his contempt for dwarves and his reluctance towards Gimili? Many times have elves implied that their time in middle-earth is ending, and that it is not for them to say yeah or nea, or give direct advice. As Michael wrote, here's an Elf who seems to have a serious grasp on the here and now. One who isn't afraid to give out advice, nor to act when action is demanded. Celeborn is a rare gem of an elf if you ask me. I like to think that part of him felt connected to middle-earth while many elves seem to be in those last stages of letting go. And think, how much of the past age have been influenced and effected by his ability to act. The history that Tolken infused the story with is deep and full.
Celeborn took charge of Lorien during a time of trouble and doubt. In the years after Amroths death, it took more then magic and spirit to not only save the realm, but help it grow again. As ruler of a strong, advanced society on the front lines so to speak, I think his wisdom showed far more impact than his brief appearance in the book.
-- posted by dkwolf
» Celebrian1980 - Celeborn Unplugged
I enjoyed this article immensely. I felt for a long time that I was in the minority in being a fan of Celeborn. Thanks for making some wonderful points on the validity of his character!-- posted by Celebrian1980
» Michael_Martinez - Re: Celeborn Unplugged
In response to message posted by Celebrian1980:This article has so far proven to be one of the most popular essays I've ever written. I've been very pleased by the response. I think far more people appreciate Celeborn than we have hitherto realized.
-- posted by Michael_Martinez
» desertblue - Re: Re: Celeborn Unplugged
In response to message posted by Michael_Martinez:He's always been an interesting character. We don't get to see him much, but obviously he's pretty special to Galadriel, whom Tolkien teaches us to respect. Really, he does more in the War of the Rings than Elrond does. With Elrond, you can tell his heart has already left Middle Earth. Celeborn stays until the bitter end. Good on him.
-- posted by desertblue
» Celevorn - Re: Celeborn
In response to message posted by dkwolf:If you recall, the elves who were loath to give out the advice you deem favorable were mostly Noldor. Indeed, they were reluctant to make any hasty decisions because of their past experiences. Celeborn really had none of these experiences, making him less timid in the way of telling people what they should do. Overall, he really doesn't decide things for them, though he pushes them down the path he would take (i.e. the boats basically led them a ways down Anduin, keeping their course southward-bound.).
-- posted by Celevorn
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