Legolas, you're just so darn...CUTE!
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» HELSA - ELVES EVERYWHERE?
Further to the discussion about Arwen being the last elf born (I doubt also this was so) but I can't help being curious why there are not hundreds of Elves running around Middle-Earth seeing as they are chiefly immortal and obviously do not only ever have just one offspring as Elrond has three and in previous discussions it is suggested that Legolas was a younger son of Thranduil possibly the 4th. I can only assume that many of the Elves did not marry and have families a bit like the dwarves which Tolkien does mention.Having said that Tolkien says (about dwarves) that not all the women take husbands some desire none and some desire one that they cannot get, and many of the men do not desire marriage being engrossed in their crafts. I can't quite see that applying to the elves.
-- posted by HELSA
» BandwagonNewbie - Re: ELVES EVERYWHERE?
In response to message posted by HELSA:I think there were quite a lot of elves in Middle-Earth during Frodo's time.
-- posted by BandwagonNewbie
» CunningVixen - Elf population?
I thought Tolkien commented in his Letters about the low numbers of Elves in Middle-Earth at the time of LOTR? He said something to the effect that there would be more speakers of Sindarin in the human realm of Gondor than there would be amongst the populations of Rivendell and Lorien?-- posted by CunningVixen
» Michael_Martinez - Re: Elf population?
In response to message posted by CunningVixen:I don't understand why anyone would assume there weren't hundreds of Elves running around Middle-earth since The Hobbit mentions thousands of them. But be that as it may, Tolkien wrote (in Letter 347): "It may be noted that at the end of the Third Age there were more prob. more people (Men) that knew Q., or spoke S., than there were Elves who did either! Though dwindling, the population of Minas Tirith and its fiefs must have been much greater than that of Lindon, Rivendell, and Lorien."
He points out in a footnote that "the Silvan Elves of Thranduil's realm did not speak S. but a related language or dialect."
He uses "S." for Sindarin and "Q." for Quenya, of course.
But he provides no numbers.
Still, I'm pretty sure that the populations of Lindon, Rivendell, and Lorien would have a combined total in the thousands (at the end of the Third Age, after the last great exodus of the Elves, which had occurred prior to the War of the Ring).
-- posted by Michael_Martinez
» Tanlaithwen - Evenstar
Who are you and why are you not writing comedy television? You are hilarious - love the article.As to the matter of Arwen being the last born of the Elves because of her name, there is a little thing that you have failed to mention: Elrond's mother was Luthien Tinuviel, which I assume means Luthien Morning Star (I think). And it is said that in Arwen, the likness of Luthien Tinuviel had come again (if I were Liv Tyler I'd be so flattered at being asked to play the most beautiful elf since Luthien). I think that Luthien and Galadriel are referred to as the morning because they are of the First-Born, and Arwen because she represents one of the last Elves to be born in Middle-Earth (but not necessarily ever). And maybe she represents the Elves leaving Middle-Earth for the Undying Lands - maybe her name is just a symbol. That's just my thoughts on it, I'm not claiming to be right or anything. Anyone have any other thoughts?
Tanlaithwen
-- posted by Tanlaithwen
» Michael_Martinez - Re: Evenstar
In response to message posted by Tanlaithwen:Elrond's mother was Elwing, the daughter of Dior, the son of Luthien. "Tinuviel" is Sindarin for "daughter of twilight", and is a poetic name for the nightingale. When Luthien's mother, Melian of the Maiar, settled in Middle-earth, she was accompanied by nightingales.
Beren gave Luthien the nickname "Tinuviel" after he beheld her dancing in the forest as her friend Daeron played a song for her on his flute.
It is highly improbable that Arwen was the last-born of the Elves. The story of Imrazor the Numenorean and his Elven-wife Mithrellas (the forebears of the Lords of Dol Amroth), and the fact that Arwen herself bore at least three children, shows that Elves were perfectly capable of having children in the Third Age.
Tolkien never intended that his stories should represent a full accounting of who begat whom. He was only accounting for the most important families in the pseudo-history.
-- posted by Michael_Martinez
» Tanlaithwen - Re: Re: Evenstar
In response to message posted by Michael_Martinez:I came back here the same day I posted my first message because I realised that I had something wrong - that Tinuviel meant "Morning Star." And yes, I was proved wrong. I think I was thinking of Tindomiel - was I? Easy mistake. I didn't say I thought that Arwen was THE last elf ever born, in fact, I don't agree with that at all. I think that maybe she just represents the waning of the time the elves spent in Middle-Earth. And I was also wrong about Luthien being Elrond's mother - I meant Grandmother, sorry. Well, that's cleared up now. And I hope you will let me off because I have only read LOTR. I'm hoping to get some more of Tolkien's books for my birthday. Then I'll know what I am talking about!!
-- posted by Tanlaithwen
» shippermd - Great Article!
Hi,Wow, I was impressed by how much information you knew about Tolkien's book and the movie.
I am also a Legolas Fan (Probably one of the older fans, at age 35!
I had never read any LOTR when I saw FOTR or TTT. I've since read some of the ROTK story, and plan to read all three stories in full before the release of the third movie.
When I first laid my eyes on the character Legolas, I thought everything was perfect. The eyes (by the way he has mostly dark eyes in many scenes,never could see the blue eyed scenes)
His blond hair was an excellent choice also. In fact, I would've thought that all Elves should have only blond hair, makes them look fairer.
I imagine you'll be back writing again about Legolas/Orlando Bloom upon release of the third movie, Return of The King. I look forward to reading it!
Shipper
-- posted by shippermd
» HELSA - Re: Great Article!
You are definitely not the oldest Legolas fan as I have two years on you.Hope you enjoy reading the LOTR books. I would recommend you read them in order, as there is much more in the books than the films and the stories do differ a bit, and you don't really want to know the end first if you don't already.
My children do not know how the story ends and it is great having them guess who Gollum's 'she' is at the end of TTT. They have gone from Sauron is really female to Gollum has a girl friend!
-- posted by HELSA
» palandiliar - Re: Re: Great Article!
In response to message posted by HELSA:Mae Govannnon,
My nephews were goiog round and round trying to figure out who 'she' was too. They tried their best to wheedle it out of me but I stood firm and simply told them (over and over) to read the books.
Somehow, they convinced themselves that 'she' meant Galadriel! Boing! I'm sure it must have been the big Sturm & Drang scene at her mirror when she resists the temptation to take the Ring offered by Frodo.
Namarie,
Palandiliar
-- posted by palandiliar
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