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10 and ½ COMMON MYTHS ABOUT MUSLIMS (in no particular order)Read the article this discussion is about
This archived discussion is "read only". » Pinky102 - You Something Else In response to Re: Re: Re: Your References, Please posted by BrotherJones:"And your idea of listing sources who are supposed to attest to her expertise at labeling believers is contrived logic."Now, that's a crock if there ever was one. "It matters not how important it is to you to label those who disagree with you as fundamentalists.But, I didn't label anyone in my definition of fundamentalism. I sourced Armstrong.
I could say something about your rhetoric; but, I'm sure Binte would delete it. -- posted by Pinky102 » BrotherJones - Re: Some People In response to Some People posted by Pinky102:In that sense they are true fundamentalists--anti realist--promoters of prejudice and hatred. They have no objective knowledge of the World of Islam--it is plain to see. Everything they know about it has been picked up from their prejudicial viewpoint. Maybe you could give a recommendation of the best book that you have read so far that details and describes Islam and her people. The sixth edition of Islam by Caesar E. Farah has been the basis for much of my understanding and comments over the years. You might want to read this book. It provides an objective view of reality involved in the situation in which the world has been thrown by the fundamentalist hatred of Christianity that support Judaism. And, pretty much, those Christians (??) are in its pages. Title: Battle for God: A History of Fundamentalism Author: Karen Armstrong Publisher: Again, you probably would do well to source an Islamic book written by a Muslim if you truly are interested in an objective account of Muslim fundamentalism. I am not suggesting that Muslims will be entirely objective, but your desire to paint all believers who hold to an historic faith with one brush stroke is unfortunate and by your own reasoning which at times is very acceptable, you should seek sources that are not tainted with inbred liberal Christian logic as it understands fundamentalism. Here is another suggestion. Spend more time listening to the author of this thread talk about Muslim fundamentalism. You could stand to learn something from a more direct source than Karen Armstrong. -- posted by BrotherJones » Pinky102 - Re: Re: Some People In response to Re: Some People posted by BrotherJones:Your attempt to paint me with the brush you get from your church's book store is tiresome.
I know about Islam first hand having relatives who were born and raised in the middle east. My daughter speaks Farsi fluently. Karen Armstorn, is an excellent source of information. Who is Caesar E. Farah? What are his credentials? Maybe it's time for Binte to make a comment. -- posted by Pinky102 » BrotherJones - Re: Re: Re: Some People In response to Re: Re: Some People posted by Pinky102:Farah is a well known scholar in the Muslim world. Whether he is well respected or not, maybe Binte will comment. He does seem to paint a much different picture of the world than what I can tell of your summary of the Karen Armstrong book. Muslims do seem to worry about radical members of Islam, just like conservative Christians for the most part pray against the use of any violence in God's name by cultic religious groups. But fundamentalism is not perceived as a dangerous movement that is destroying the world or in need of some special shipment of believers to Pluto. According to Farah's book, the Western secular (godless) message of immorality, hedonism, homosexuality, abortion, adultery, fornication, and lawlessness are perceived by Muslims as destroying civilization and family life. And the loss of respect for ancient text... in their case, the Koran. I assure you that these thoughts did not originate in my church's book store. I imagine whenever a Muslim turns on American television and sees two dozen channels exporting immoral behavior, they must laugh when they hear from folks like yourself who blame fundamentalists Christians for causing the majority of the world's problems. -- posted by BrotherJones » Pinky102 - Re: Re: Re: Re: Some People In response to Re: Re: Re: Some People posted by BrotherJones:"But fundamentalism is not perceived as a dangerous movement that is destroying the world or in need of some special shipment of believers to Pluto."Not perceived as such by whom? Most non-fundamentalists, if they have a position, think fundamentalists are close to crazy and, potentially, very dangerous people. -- posted by Pinky102 » BrotherJones - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Some People In response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Some People posted by Pinky102:think fundamentalists are close to crazy and, potentially, very dangerous people. You sorta played your hand with the Pluto statement. Until you explain your own hatred and bigotry or issue some sort of apology, you are sinking in the weight of your own doing. People who are potentially dangerous should be sent somewhere? Is that about it? -- posted by BrotherJones » Pinky102 - Hatred and Bigotry In response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Some People posted by BrotherJones:Arthur has done a little research on the subject of fundamentalism. You might want to read this post of his: http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/N... "Until you explain your own hatred and bigotry or issue some sort of apology, you are sinking in the weight of your own doing. People who are potentially dangerous should be sent somewhere? Is that about it?"I am hard pressed to understand your problem.  Your accusation that I am intolerant and prejudiced is founded on what? Read the paper Arthur has posted at the above link. Apology? Gimmee a break! Why would I apologize for claiming Osama Bin Laden deserves to be sent to Pluto? Why don't you stop being so foolishly naive about the definition of fundamentalism so we can deal with reality rather than the consensus opinion of a few fundamentalist nuts?
-- posted by Pinky102 » hawknut - Re: i'm here ! :) In response to i'm here ! posted by Binte:Hello Fatima. My computer's been down for a few days. I've reviewed this thread, and thank you for your answers. I did post something in the discussion 'Allah or God?' and then I lost the link to that page and couldn't find it again Yes, your responses are in the "Allah or God" thread in the Bible Apologetics topic. Thank you for your helpful explanations. (I was under the impression that the discussion about Islam had been discouraged by that topic CE - reason I posed my questions in this particular thread in your topic.) Your comments in the post to which I'm replying make a lot of sense to me. Thanks. I've come across a few Messianic Muslim web sites. They seem to be able to incorporate a deified Jesus into Islam. What's your impression on this? -- posted by hawknut » hawknut - Messianic Muslims? Fatima, here's a website explaining messianic muslims...http://www.cephasministry.com/ecumenism_... "Last year it was reported that several international mission organizations, including Youth With A Mission (YWAM) are testing a new approach to missionary work in areas where Christianity is unwelcome. A March 24 Charisma News Service report said some missionaries are now making converts but are allowing them to "hold on to many of their traditional religious beliefs and practices," so as to refrain from offending others within their culture. The Charisma article noted: "Messianic Muslims, who continue to read the Koran, visit the mosque and say their daily prayers but accept Christ as their Savior, are the products of the strategy which is being tried in several countries." A YWAM staff writer wrote: "They continue a life of following the Islamic requirements, including mosque attendance, fasting and Koranic reading, besides getting together as a fellowship of Muslims who acknowledge Christ as the source of God's mercy for them... " -- posted by hawknut » Binte - Re: Re: i'm here ! :) In response to Re: i'm here ! posted by hawknut:My net's been down for days too. I just got back online and saw how this discussion has grown (although in an unexpected direction) My reason for bringing up the definition of the word 'fundamental' was because I wondered if everyone realised that to a certain extent every Muslim is a fundamentalist - and that's a compliment to them, not an insult. While some people speak the word in tone that suggest offense, it has a very innocent meaning to Muslims: that the person in question is principled. Of course, with the politcally correct tag being placed on so many words, I find that in most cases you have to provide a detailed definition of what your understanding of a term is, when you use it. When researching about Muslims, I'd recommend people read books by both non-Muslims and Muslims, and by both Shia and Sunni authors. The perspective of each group is different. Many Shia books are available online at www.al-islam.org and there are also Nutshell files on the site that give you A4 size pamphlets with pertinent facts about common issues/questions asked about Shias and Islam. Regarding Messianic Muslims, this terms seems to be applied to Christians who still hold on to Muslim practices (I was thinking of the other way around). I do know of Muslims who read the Bible, and of course all Muslims respect Jesus, but I don't know if you can call them Messianic. I think that term defines the Christain aspect of their belief AFTER they have converted. I've avoided commenting on the little disagreement regarding the topic I asked about, partly because it's too late to revive it and partly because I'd like to think Shiasm Explained is about that - simply explaining what Islam is and dealing with issues that people are uncertain or ignorant of. I'm (hopefully) not forcing anyone to accept my opinion or judging them for theirs. At the end of the day, all any one of us can do is provide information and perspectives, judgements and opinions are purely personal decisions. Peace -- posted by Binte Please follow the guidelines set forth in the Suite101 Posting Etiquette when adding to the discussion. |
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