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10 and ½ COMMON MYTHS ABOUT MUSLIMS (in no particular order)Read the article this discussion is about
This archived discussion is "read only". » hawknut - Re: Re: Please comment.... In response to Re: Please comment.... posted by _Boanerges_:Your previous and subsequent sentences are irrelevant to the question about pagan origins of Islam, hence I did not include them. -- posted by hawknut » _Boanerges_ - Re: Re: Re: Please comment.... In response to Re: Re: Please comment.... posted by hawknut:about pagan origins of Islam Which is an undeniable fact.... This is not *new* news to anyone who researches comparative religions. I serioulsy doubt you can find many serious scholars who would argue with these well known facts..... But, as for me, this subject is not my interest.... I gave up that years ago, as the reason is as mentioned already, its irrelevent when making comparative studies.... The Meccans trace their ancestry back to Ishmael who, along with his father Abraham, rebuilt the Ka'ba some 4,000 years ago. The Arabs were largely an idolatrous people worshiping many gods. It is said that the Ka'ba contained some 360 idols, one for each day of the year. Even in pre Islamic days, Mecca enjoyed a certain importance among the Arabs who used to come there for their annual pilgrimage and for performing sacrifices to their gods. Although Allah was the Supreme God of the Arabs, they also believed in a number of other deities. Following is a list of some of the principal deities of the Arabs before Islam: The principal idols of Arabia were the following: Hobal was in the form of a man and came from Syria; he was the god of rain and had a high place of honor. Wadd was the god of the firmament. Special prayers for rain and against eclipse were taught by Mohammed. Suwah, in the form of a woman, was said to be from antediluvian times. Yughuth had the shape of a lion. NOAH Verses: 28, Revealed at Makkah. Ya'ook was in the form of a horse, and was worshiped in Yemen. (Bronze images of this idol are found in ancient tombs and are still used as amulets.) Nasr was the eagle god. 4. In studying ancient comparative mythologies we must never forget the following facts. (1) Men's ideas of God always tend to be anthropomorphic. The qualities which they admire they transfer to their godhead. (2) But fear in primitive man also leads to the transfer of anything mysterious or imagined to be injurious, to the Pantheon. Such things have to be placated in order that they may not injure man. Thus in popular Hinduism the goddess of small-pox, which causes terror over an ignorant countryside, has to be worshipped, placated, or appeased with sacrifice. (3) This leads to the worship of animals noxious to man, such as serpent-worship, which......(continues)... El Uzza identified by some scholars with Venus, was worshiped at times under the form of an acacia tree (cf. Tree-worship by Moslems). In early Nabataean history, the Nabataeans had gods with Arabic names. Some of these were: (1) Al Qaum - the warrior god who guards the caravans, (2) Al Kutbay - the god of learning, commerce, writing, and divination (3) Allat - the goddess of spring and fertility (4) Al Uzza - the powerful and (5) Manawat - the god of destiny or fate. -- posted by _Boanerges_ » Pinky102 - Some People I'm struck by the ignorance of some people who, it seems, are so smart but at the same time are so ignorant.It is a tragedy that these people are so stuck in their overwhelming ignorance that they cannot see the the reality of the presentations they make to the world. In fact, in my opinion, what I see as the continual ranting and raging against all those who don't buy into the god that is found in a book is nothing more than a fight against the modern times in which we live. In that sense they are true fundamentalists--anti realist--promoters of prejudice and hatred. They have no objective knowledge of the World of Islam--it is plain to see. Everything they know about it has been picked up from their prejudicial viewpoint. You might want to read this book. It provides an objective view of reality involved in the situation in which the world has been thrown by the fundamentalist hatred of Christianity that support Judaism. And, pretty much, those Christians (??) are in its pages.
------------------------- In the final analysis, we all live in the same world which, I think, would be a much better place if all the fundamentalists from every religion were sent to the planet Pluto. -- posted by Pinky102 » BrotherJones - Re: Some People In response to Some People posted by Pinky102:In the final analysis, we all live in the same world which, I think, would be a much better place if all the fundamentalists from every religion were sent to the planet Pluto. A common sentiment held by quite a few liberals. Just get rid of 'em somehow. It never fails to amuse me that liberals don't see the hatred in their own spiteful rhetoric. It just seem to be a complete blindspot for you, doesn't it Pinky? -- posted by BrotherJones » Binte - i'm here ! :) I did post something in the discussion 'Allah or God?' and then I lost the link to that page and couldn't find it again The first I heard of this Islam originates from idols was years ago and frankly I didn't take it seriously as an accusation because it seemed to be obviously ridiculous to me ... apparently I was wrong. Perhaps, my thinking is simple, but I fail to understand how a faith that is supposed to have its roots in idol worship or the worship of a pagan god could possibly give birth to a faith that is so completely and totally opposed to the worship of anything except One God. And the reason why we normally say One with a capital 'O' is because the arabic word used to define this 'one' is ahad and not the numerica; wahid. The latter implies that it is a one that can be followed by a two, while the former refers to an absolute unique One that cannot be divided, added to or subtracted from. All this from a moon god? It's easy to say Muhammad came up with Islam from here or there - but if he was going to pick an idol anyway, why go to so much trouble (and bear violent opposition) to go against the grain of idol-worship. He should have been more successful if he just picked an idol and promoted himself as its prophet. Yes, the Ka'bah had 360 (some say 365) idols and the very first thing that Muhammad did when he re-entered Makkah and (peacefully) conquered it (without shedding a drop of blood)was to destroy each and every idol. Why would he do that if the basis of his faith was one of them. He could have broken 359 and left the one that Islam is supposed to have stemmed from. The one fact that stands out in the life of Muhammad before he openly proclaimed his prophethood was that he never worshipped an idol. This was a 40 year period when he was being watched by everyone. He preferred to spend his time in the Cave of Hira meditating and praying to the God of Abraham. And just to clarify - Muslims believe Islam is the very same message God sent from the moment He created the earth, to Adam, Abraham, Jesus and Muhammad - that we should believe in One God and only Him. Our differences arise because of our interpretations of the messages, but the essence is the same - monotheism. Fatima -- posted by Binte » Pinky102 - Re: Re: Some People In response to Re: Some People posted by BrotherJones:Let me ask you a straight question now that I've amused you once again. Do you hold a certain people above others according to your religious convictions? Of course you do, I've read your messages long enough to know that. And, those people just happen to be Jewish, right? Of course they are. Now, what is there that you know about these people before you even meet any one of them that causes you to hold them above others? Could you bring yourself to answer that question? Generally, you avoid answering these questions I ask you when they put you on the spot. I would really like to read your answer. -- posted by Pinky102 » BrotherJones - Re: Re: Re: Some People In response to Re: Re: Some People posted by Pinky102:Do you hold a certain people above others according to your religious convictions? I pray that I don't. It would certainly not be the Christ like thing to do. Of course you do, I've read your messages long enough to know that. And, those people just happen to be Jewish, right? I believe the Jewish place in history is a matter of faith in the revelation of sacred text revealed in the bible. However, anyone else who has read my posts could just as easily conclude that I hold some bigotry against the Jewish people and Israel, so your point is lost on me. Now, what is there that you know about these people before you even meet any one of them that causes you to hold them above others? I usually feel sorry for the Jews because they as a people for the most part have missed Jesus Christ and His message. So sometimes my real problem is that I feel above the Jew, which is not really a very good attitude. I just need to trust God's grace that He will deal with the Jew who denies Christ just like anybody else who denies Christ. Generally, you avoid answering these questions I ask you when they put you on the spot. I would really like to read your answer. As a general rule of thumb, you blame others and point fingers away from yourself when confronted with your own bigotry. You might as well face the truth that your statement reflected the same hatred that you flail away at others for making. It is just par for the course that fundamentalist are perceived as more dangerous than liberals. This being especially true when you have spent all this time and energy building up in your mind what a fundamentalist is. But liberals can and do promote their own type of 'hate,' posts everyday. And a whole mob of hateful liberals can be a pretty ugly sort of crowd. Have I answered your question? I wasn't going to go to such lengths before you made such an effort to direct attention away from your own post because you seem to have improved over the last few months before this little episode of backsliding into the unfortunate post. (Sorry for the intrusion into this thread.) -- posted by BrotherJones » Zanzi - Re: Some People In response to Some People posted by Pinky102:In the final analysis, we all live in the same world which, I think, would be a much better place if all the fundamentalists from every religion were sent to the planet Pluto. And such rhetoric from someone who prides himself on his liberal mindset, complete with tolerance, "live and let live" attitude? Your words champion religious freedom only as long as the people around tow your line of fundamental beliefs...otherwise they'll earn a one-way ticket to Pluto?!? Are you sure about your statement? -- posted by Zanzi » Pinky102 - Better Posts In response to Re: Re: Re: Some People posted by BrotherJones:That was one of your better posts, Brother Jones. I think you deserve a pat on the back for giving a straight forward answer. I stand corrected about your beliefs. But, I think you might run into a little trouble if you were to engage most Fundamentalists regarding your stance on the chosen people of God. -- posted by Pinky102 » Pinky102 - Live and Let Live In response to Re: Some People posted by Zanzi:"...someone who prides himself on his liberal mindset...I pride myself in nothing. I am replete with foibles both good and bad. As far as being tolerant of evil is concerned, I think you'll find I have little tolerance for it. Al Quida, the Brotherhood of Allah, the Aryan Nation, Christian Fundamentalism and all other racist and hate motivated groups that preach prejudice and hatred deserve to be exposed for the evil they espouse in the name of God. Giving them cover is a big problem in our society. But, you are correct, my rhetoric was exagerated as far as Pluto is concerned. Maybe Venus would have been a better place? Hopefully, you got my message. Live and let live, that's a good Yankee motto and I agree wholeheartedly. I do hate prejudice and racism where ever I see it. Do you? BTW, as far as being a Liberal is concerned, I am filled with contradictions--no doubt about that. Just ask those true liberals about that.
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