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10 and ½ COMMON MYTHS ABOUT MUSLIMS (in no particular order)Read the article this discussion is about
This archived discussion is "read only". » _Boanerges_ - When I put my position out ?? In response to Further On Fundamentalism posted by Pinky102:When I put my position out that I do not believe that Jesus is God, there was an immediate reaction claiming a basic point of Christian Fundamentalism. They cannot accept the facts of life presented to them by modernity. Reddeer: Do you believe that Jesus is God? Phil: No. [.......] I'm sorry if that is stepping on your toes; but, I cannot ignore the cavalier way that hatred and prejudice is bandied about by the Evangelicals who claim to have all the answers to all the questions. At a certain point in your life you come to realize the blather is nothing more than a crock. Who's kidding who? {:0 Do you know what I mean? Reddeer: No problem. Thank you for your answer. It gives more clarity to your posts. -- posted by _Boanerges_ » Pinky102 - False Witness In response to When I put my position out ?? posted by _Boanerges_:To set the record straight here are the two immediate responses to which I referred: Red: "Is Jesus God?" Boanurges: "The bottom line is this: It is not [what] a person believes but [who].... [Christians] believe (as you know) that Jesus is THE only living God - and that we believe His word." Just to set Wendell's false witness aside. Can we really trust anyone who presents false witness time after time? -- posted by Pinky102 » _Boanerges_ - Re: False Witness In response to False Witness posted by Pinky102:Just to set Wendell's false witness aside. Can we really trust anyone who presents false witness time after time? The only comment that was directed towards you was from Reddeer (as already presented). No one responsed to you as of this day! The quote from RAH and (myself) that you quote is completely unrelated to you, your above statement, or even the subject matter of your claim about Jesus not being God! In fact, I'm confident that no one here on the Suite cares whether or not you believe that Jesus is not God. I have been here over 3 years and have yet to see one person who even gave it one thought, which is the opposite of what you have claimed.... you said: "When I put my position out that I do not believe that Jesus is God, there was an immediate reaction claiming a basic point of Christian Fundamentalism. They cannot accept the facts of life presented to them by modernity". The fact is: No one responsed to your statement, except Reddeer, who was polite, friendly, and respectful... Hmmm... False witness? Seems apparant ..lol.. none are fooled..... -- posted by _Boanerges_ » Pinky102 - A True Militant Fundamentalist In response to Re: False Witness posted by _Boanerges_:_Boanerges_ is a true militant fundamentalist as everyone knows by how much effort he puts into making sure the boundary lines of Christianity are clearly drawn according to his doctrinaire approach to reality. One of the most famous militant fundamentalists of Islam was the Ayatollah Khomeini who was so instrumental in throwing Iran into its present mess. On the other hand, the Gush, a Jewish sub-culture in Israel is a good example of fundamentalism. They developed a special style of music, dress and speech flaunting their piety and Torah observance. They are the ones who began the settler movement in Nablus, aka, Sechem. "The cadres of the Gush saw themselves as more authentically Jewish and Zionist thant the Laborites, linking themselves not only with such holy warriors of ancient times as Joshua, David, and the Maccabees, but also with such Zionist heroes as Theodor Herzl, BenGurion, and the early pioneers, who were also possessed by a mystical vision of sorts, and had sometimes been regarded as madmen in their own day." (taken from page 281 of Armstrong's book) -- posted by Pinky102 » BrotherJones - Re: A True Militant Fundamentalist In response to A True Militant Fundamentalist posted by Pinky102:Boanerges_ is a true militant fundamentalist as everyone knows Pinky done loaded up his barrel and gone over the waterfall on this one. by how much effort he puts into making sure the boundary lines of Christianity are clearly drawn according to his doctrinaire approach to reality. Now again, where does the militant idea come in? Let me guess. When someone insists that they know something, then that makes them militant....? All right lets go with it. One of the most famous militant fundamentalists of Islam was the Ayatollah Wendell sort of fits the same bag as Khomeini. Christians know something. They want to take over the country by saving souls and getting folks to Jesus.. Then they want to come over and dress you in some conservative clothes. Thanks for the head ups on Wendell. I will keep an eye on him for the group. lol. -- posted by BrotherJones » Pinky102 - One Of The Major Problems In response to Re: A True Militant Fundamentalist posted by BrotherJones:One of the major problems we have in following along in these threads is the way some posters like to put their own spin on what another has posted; thus, they create a false witness. Boneurges is famous for his spin on what others post as was made evident in this thread once again. Your recent post puts somewhat a spin of your own on what I posted. Even so, Brother Jones, you are close and it doesn't seem you have any evil intention. Let me refer you to this link. By the way, I'm working on a paper regarding the identity of Jesus. It's possible you might find it interesting. -- posted by Pinky102 » BrotherJones - Re: One Of The Major Problems In response to One Of The Major Problems posted by Pinky102:Even so, Brother Jones, you are close and it doesn't seem you have any evil intention. Once again you seem to have used good judgement in regard to my supposed thoughtful post. It is time though to return this thread to the host and we need to get some deeper answers about whether Islamic people can truly live among us with some sort of peaceful intent to fit in our pluralistic society. Because we come from a diverse society we are familiar with an outright verbal attack on our prophets and and our ancient texts. We are not so much like our parents who viewed 'religion and politics,' as off limit topics. From the missionaries that I have personally had contact, the turf turns very dangerous in Islamic countries when someone airs the complaint that 'Allah is not god, the Koran is not holy script, and Muhammed is not a prophet.' We need to find out if it is the Islamic mindset to find some way to 'get along,' with their enemy since they seem to reject so much in the life of Jesus about loving a foe. -- posted by BrotherJones » Binte - fitting in about whether Islamic people can truly live among us with some sort of peaceful intent to fit in our pluralistic society.Don't the majority of Muslims live peacefully in non-Muslim countries? Islam doesn't encourage violence oppposition and so ideally, a non-Muslim should not feel it dangerous to express their views. However, there is a very low tolerance for Islamic norms. Hijab being the perfect example. When people visit Muslim countries and see women veiled, they stereotype them into opressed, second class citizens. Some Muslims countries do require non-Muslim visitors to follow a dress-code on their land - but it's their country and these rules are similar to conditions that the US or the UK imposes on its visitors. I think the problem comes up because most Christian states, seperate religion and politics and so they don't expect religious rules to be part of the law. In Islam, religion and state are not seperated - this is the way the faith is, it can't be expected to adopt the division just because another country does. Muslims live with many things that they don't agree with when in non-Muslim countries. For example, faith forbids them from eating in a hotel that serves alcohol, but I haven't heard of Muslim demand that hotels should stop serving it just so that they can eat there. They adapt around the rules while in the country. I will repeat again, there is no justification for a violent reaction, but I think Muslim countries would appreciate it if non-Muslims visiting would be kind enough to understand that every land has its cultures and laws and you can't always have your way, even if you believe it is best. (This applies both ways of course) Fatima -- posted by Binte » Pinky102 - Re: fitting in In response to fitting in posted by Binte:Hey, Fatima. I hope you have a better understanding of our use of the word, fundamentalist, here. As far as Muslims living peacefully is concerned, I recall reading the history of the Edict of 1492 Signed by the Queen of Spain to oust the Jews and Muslims out of the country. When Spain was ruled by Muslims, both Jews and Christians lived comfortably side by side. When the Jews and Muslims were evicted from Spain, the Jews left for lands under Muslim rule where they continued to live peaceably. In fact, the mark of Islam, from what I've read and learned is to be extremely tolerant of others. It is the fundamentalist Muslims that are troublesome. The same is true of fundamentalist Christians and Jews. At least, this is the understanding I have taken from my studies. Fundamentalism is the problem no matter what the religion.
-- posted by Pinky102 » _Boanerges_ - Re: Re: fitting in In response to Re: fitting in posted by Pinky102:It is the fundamentalist Muslims that are troublesome. The same is true of fundamentalist Christians and Jews. At least, this is the understanding I have taken from my studies. Fundamentalism is the problem no matter what the religion. "Fundamentalism" in Christianity & Islam Within Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and other faiths, the media generally use the term to refer to the most conservative wing of the religion. For example, fundamentalist Christianity is often described as the most conservative wing of Evangelicalism. -- posted by _Boanerges_ Please follow the guidelines set forth in the Suite101 Posting Etiquette when adding to the discussion. |
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