The Origin of The Shia - Part One: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Comparisons

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In response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Comparisons posted by Binte:

the story of Adam and Eve is the same except that Satan came to both and not just Eve.

True, the Bible does say Adam was there with Eve...

Genesis 3:6 - ...She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

They both ate of the forbidden tree and each repented and was forgiven.

Curious. How is their repentence and forgiveness worded in your scripture?

There is no inheritance of either a sinful nature or guilt for that act in any other person.... For a Muslim to believe that he or she inherited the sin of another, is to contradict the absolute Justice of God

For a CHRISTian to believe in the inheritance of sin also contradicts what Ezekiel and Jesus said.

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.

John 9:1 - As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.

If condemnation isn't inherited, it would also stand to reason that no man can inherit righteousness.

Every child is born with a pure nature, connected to God.

I believe so too, given Jesus' words about children...

Matthew 11:25 - ... “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

Matthew 18:3
And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:14
Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

we also don’t believe in any moral/human difference, weakness or evil being more dominant in one gender over the other

Does this mean that both genders are equally weak and evil? Another question along this line... I've heard there is great inequality between Islamic men and women? Is the woman's subservance to man based on religious belief or simply cultural (if there's a separation between the two)? Is there a difference between the Sunni and Shia men in how they treat women, or is it the same thoughout Islam?

-- posted by hawknut