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The Origin of The Shia - Part OneRead the article this discussion is about
This archived discussion is "read only". » Binte - Re: Prophet (pbuh) In response to Prophet (pbuh) posted by Pinky102:Yes, I'm so used to using it, I forgot to clarify - sorry. Usually, when talking of other prophets Muslims add the name e.g. Prophet Musa (Moses), Prophet Nuh (Moah) etc. With regards to Muhammad (pbuh) we alternate between the Prophet Muhammad or just the Prophet. (pbuh)is an acronym for (peace be upon him). Another version is (pbut) which is (peace be upon them) when speaking of more than one person. I had mentioned this in my very first article, but I think I should tag it to the end of every piece, just for clarity. I hope the next article will fill in the remaining gaps about where the Shia came from. -- posted by Binte » hawknut - Comparisons it is mandatory to believe that the Prophet (pbuh) never spoke except by the command of God i.e. he never expressed a personal opinion in any matter, because he had submitted completely to the opinion and wish of God.Same belief assigned to Jesus in Christianity. The third kind of Imam is specifically used only for those leaders who were considered divinely appointed and infallible. These are only twelve in number and they are accepted and followed by the Shia Ithna Asheri (The Followers of the Twelve) The Twelve apostles in Christianity chosen by Jesus. Very interesting, Binte. -- posted by hawknut » Binte - Re: Comparisons In response to Comparisons posted by hawknut:Those are some of the very interesting comparisons Shias normally bring up when discussing Christianity and Islam! Since we believe that Muhammad (pbuh)was the prophet directly following Jesus (Isa), we find the similarities between the two indicate (to us) that they both came from the same Divine Source! -- posted by Binte » hawknut - Re: Re: Comparisons In response to Re: Comparisons posted by Binte:they both came from the same Divine Source! I did read that in some of the belief statements I read on Islam. Are there more similarities between Islam and Christianity that you can point to? -- posted by hawknut » Binte - Re: Re: Re: Comparisons In response to Re: Re: Comparisons posted by hawknut:Quite a few similarities exist from the Islamic point of view. We believe much of the same general history: - The creation of the earth in six 'periods' (the Arabic word used refers to an indeterminate period of time) Although there is no belief in the seventh day of rest, because God is above needing rest of any definition. - The story of Adam and Hawa (Eve) - minus the Original Sin concept. - Most of the Prophets we share a belief in are the same - Moses, Noah, Solomon, Jacob, Joseph, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael and others. Although, when speaking to a Christian friend, she had mentioned that these men are not considered 'prophets' in Christianity, but 'anointed men of God' so I think the definition of a Prophet is different in either faith. - The miraculous virgin birth of Jesus and the purity of Mary (Mariam). There is also mention of the Holy Spirit in the Qur'an, which came to support Jesus, but again the definition of this Spirit is different from the one used in the Bible. - Muslims also believe that the Bible was originally a revealed book along with the Psalms of David and the Old Testament. Our belief is that the three books and various scrolls were sent down over the centuries between Adam and Muhammad, with revelations and laws in accordance to the needs of humanity. The Qur'an was then the final revelation that will last to the end of time. The current Bible is considered (by Muslims) to have (indiscernible) parts of the original message mixed with the inspired texts. This is considered one of the biggest differences between the Qur'an and the Bible. That the first was a revealed book (entirely in direct speech from God) and compiled during the life of Muhammad (pbuh), while the Bible was written and compiled years after Jesus left this world and is the word of imspired men. There are also moral similarities - promoting similar virtues, keeping away from the same vices. When I watch Christian programs on TV, I sometimes smile at how the preachers seem to be saying the same things that the priests tell us from the pulpit! It gets a little sad then, to see that Muslims are portrayed by some of these preachers as being barbaric followers of an evil faith -- posted by Binte » hawknut - Re: Re: Re: Re: Comparisons In response to Re: Re: Re: Comparisons posted by Binte:Thanks, Fatima. The story of Adam and Hawa (Eve) - minus the Original Sin concept. Could you explain this more? How do Muslims tell the story without the original sin idea? There is also mention of the Holy Spirit in the Qur'an, which came to support Jesus, but again the definition of this Spirit is different from the one used in the Bible. How is this Spirit defined in Islam? to see that Muslims are portrayed by some of these preachers as being barbaric followers of an evil faith Most evangelist preachers see evil in every (wo)man because they believe that everyone inherited Adam's 'sinful nature'. So, to them, ~everybody~ is a corrupt vile sinner undeserving of God's love - no matter what faith they hold. Yes, I agree, that's sad. -- posted by hawknut » Pinky102 - Re: Re: Re: Re: Comparisons In response to Re: Re: Re: Comparisons posted by Binte:It looks like the new democracy in Iraq may fall under the influence of the Shariah and that means the Mullahs will have a great deal to say about the way things are administered. Preachers of Christian Evangelism are trying to do the same thing here in the U.S.A. Not good. -- posted by Pinky102 » Binte - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Comparisons In response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Comparisons posted by hawknut:Okay, this is the definition of Original Sin as far as I have understood it (it matches the one at the end of your post!): Original sin is the belief that mankind inherited Adam’s sinfulness and in some cases also that we inherited his guilt. I also heard, just today, on TV that Christians believe that all people are born ‘spiritually dead’ and that is why they need to be ‘born again’ in spirit. It’s the first time I’ve heard it expressed like that. Anyway, In Islam, the story of Adam and Eve is the same except that Satan came to both and not just Eve. They both ate of the forbidden tree and each repented and was forgiven. There is no inheritance of either a sinful nature or guilt for that act in any other person. Every child is born with a pure nature, connected to God. As we grow, learn and come of mature age, we are required to choose the path of what right and good based on study, reflection and self-analysis. For a Muslim to believe that he or she inherited the sin of another, is to contradict the absolute Justice of God (I explained a bit of this in the discussion on the Part Two). The Holy Spirit is the angel Jibraeel (Gabriel) who is believed to the be angel who brings down revelations from God onto His Prophets. It is he who brought support, comfort and guidance to Jesus from God. Since we don’t believe in the sinful nature of any human being, we also don’t believe in any moral/human difference, weakness or evil being more dominant in one gender over the other. Fatima -- posted by Binte Please follow the guidelines set forth in the Suite101 Posting Etiquette when adding to the discussion. |
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