How the Cult Programs People: Part Two
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» sxoa - spiritual slavery
I have been studying the nature of good and evil, both mundane and mystical for years now.It seems that we are kept from doing much good as good is defined by "forgiving those who harm us if that person is authority". The authorities don't hesitate in the slightest to wrong us, and neither are they forgiving when we act the same way in some manner that threatens their designs. Therefore, Good has become a way that isn't too harmful to Evil.
*Good is for the victims of Evil, and this lesson has driven many to embrace Evil so they no longer have to be "weak". *
Understand, this is NOT me who defines Good in such a way, but how society teaches it to us. I wrestled with this myself, and I don't like this definition, but it was the one rubbed in my face again and again.
On the other hand, Evil is a corrupting, destructive force that destroys others, especially those you love, as it does you. It destroys your peace of mind and can even destroy your ability to connect with others which is essential for a sane mind and nourished soul. And as it stands now, many Evils are perpetuated in the name of Good.
We live in a dysfunctional society where black is often white and white is often black.
I've read some books by psychics and occultists that either are "white" or "black" and I think both types are clueless. The terms need to be redefined. And now I just saw *Bless the Child* at the theater, and it made me think on something that is VERY fascinating...
BOTH Christians and Satanists seem interested in converting those such as various neo-pagans to their religion. There are individuals in both who would go so far as to eradicate them simply for being different from them. WHY? It seems that while there may individuals of either religion that they might get along with, there are also many more who see them as misguided, AT BEST. Why is it important that they accept a certain paradigm? Of being forced to see ALL of reality as a see saw and that they must choose one side or the other in the eternal balance?
Yes, some Wiccans are practically good Christians in the mystical sense. And some would say that I'm something of a Satanist for my anarchistic impulses. But in that movie, it is explained that "They (satanists) are spreading a powerful message: That God is not real and therefore you can make your own rules." Nope. They had to call on Satan and worship him...that's not antireligion as they called it, but a rival deity! You can't "make your own rules" because you are following someone else's rules, still! I am an anarchist...I will NEVER bend my knee to either Jehovah or Satan, or any who invoke Him for Power...and any who use such forces, powers, or mundane tactics to make me their slave will both be in mortal danger when this girl that they would enslave will rebel with the deadliest of force, mystical and mundane.
So I am into "making my own rules" (more like communing with the divine that manifests as me at this moment), which means I am not a Satanists any more than I am a Christian. And how many Christians and Satanists can stand the thought of someone who operates by an understanding alien to their own, or defies their authority with the same abandon as they attempt to force their will on others (that is, they try to violate my will by force with their rapist mentality and I will defy their will with the very same force).
What I would like here, besides your own thoughts, are your stories and experiences and second hand tales of Christians and Satanists (and other religions, maybe even including what I call "Orthodox Wiccans" who are sure they have "the true/purest way") trying to convert you and your fellow pagans. Or their hostility toward you. I wish to compare just to see how much difference there is between them when all is said and done. The Illuminati vs. the Inquisition...
And while we're on this, I would also like to see a new word for Christians or Witches who follow what is often called "The Black Path". That is, Christians who spread hate and intolerance, and witches into demons and Satan, should have a name to seperate them from the more harmless (and even benevolent) Christians and witches. Thanx for tolerating my unusual observations and questions.
-- posted by sxoa
» svali - tolerance
I think that it is important to show tolerance and caring for those from any walk. Especially those who have undergone ritual abuse, and suffered so much intolerance in their life. I am no longer affiliated with the Illuminati, and you raise some interesting points in your letter.As an evangelical Christian, I have found a personal faith system that brings me comfort and has given me the courage to speak out against the group I was once part of. It sounds as if you yourself are looking at many realities and questioning things you have been told over the years; not just accepting things because they are the "status quo". Best wishes to you in your journey of personal growth and healing.
-- posted by svali
» sxoa - recruits...
Thanx for your good wishes. Not use to that!I lived on the streets and I ran into many religions, usually the worse examples of it! There were satanists there, although they weren't the type most satanists would want to be associated with (ID think so anyway). Some were very aggressive in pulling others in to their little cults of drugs and violence...what WAS interesting is that many "leaders" didn't call on satan, but some demon like from Babylon or one I never heard before (there were a few). Between that, your postings, and that movie, I wonder, why hasn't some group like the Illuminati recruited the lost like was done in that movie? It would make sense to me. If they could explain it (like they did in the movie) in a plausible way to the public. I'd expect the high rollers of the Illumati would want to spit on street trash, but still they could surely find uses for them...thoughts?
-- posted by sxoa
» Agatha8 - Re: recruits...
The Dark Brotherhood does use them. That's why they are in the position they are in. They prey on everyone's desires, fears, guilt, secrets, etc. They use every negative aspect they can think of to use against you and pull you in.They take the Ancient Teachings and corrupt them. This was warned of centuries ago and taught that the teachings should never be released into the general public for they could and would be used in ways unimaginable.
Darkness needs more souls because they Destroy; they never have the ability Create. Until you learn the Teachings and shield yourself, you will constantly be pulled back into the Brotherhood. They prey on the lower level souls because they know they can. Lower levels do not have the ability to sheild themselves and are burned in the fray.
This is the Wheel of Karma - until you learn to sheild yourself, you will have to continue to do battle with them, over and over. You will never ascend.
The beauty part of all of this is once you don't get pulled into the Brotherhood, you won't have to come back and do battle with them anymore. You have ascended to a level they can never reach. They have bound themselves to a certain level and keep running on a treadmill, over and over.
-- posted by Agatha8
» endingthepain - Thankyou and I have many questions....
Thankyou Svali for writing these articles. I am just now starting my journey of recovery and I can't believe how great it feels for the chance at validation. I relate so much to alot that is being said, but I also do not understand some aspects of my particular ritual abuse history.It didn't start until I was 11 or 12. And after I turned 16 I was no longer contacted. I have not been able to find out which cult I was brought into, and I wanted to know if anyone else has had similar experiences??? I have been in and out of mental hospitalizations andcouncelingg for the last 10 years and because of the strong programming I experienced am just now able to start disclosing some of the events to my currentcouncelorr. My fear is that I don't know exactly who was involved and it sometimes holds me back, what if I am disclosing to someone who was a part of it? Am I crazy for telling anyone? Am I in danger now? I get so confused and terrified sometimes, even joining here tologginn made me scared. What if there is a way for the cult members to find me THIS way! But I HAD to write, I feel so glad to know that I am not alone in my pain, and that others have gotten out and are still alive.Thankyouou again and I appreciate ANY kind of responses, my need to talk with someone who has been there is so great right now!
-- posted by endingthepain
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