Ritual abuse: the under-recognized problem
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» JWood - Welcome & what a tremendous article
As your article deals closely with my topic of domestic violence, I am sure we will become teammates in the fight to bring attention to abuse and violence. Welcome to Suite101 and good luck with your future articles. I look forward to reading them.Congratulations on being a survivor.
Jennifer Wood
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» CarrieDawn - Svali Speaks
Dearest Svali,I am so proud of you for taking the courage and energy to write so candidly. Thousands of survivors will find hope and validation in your articles and in your courage.
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» suitewoman - A Thank You for Committing your Time, Energy and Resources
This forum will be useful and powerful in making the nuts and bolts of the information on this subject matter more available with Svali's contributions here. With the personal resources Svali herself shares here and the community she will facilitate building via others' shared contributions, this has potential to be a powerful tool in heightening awareness, sharpening focus in what has become a controversial arena, and lending itself to healing in a broader social community. I want to extend my personal thanks to Svali for committing her time, energy and resources to the building of this community in harmony with some of the other excellent communities already out there on the subject matter of ritual abuse and the enormous complexities inherent in attempting to address these issues.-- posted by suitewoman
» FactoryGirl - Confused
The way you define ritual abuse in your first article seems to say that ALL abuse that is repeated over time is ritual abuse. Your second article goes over the history of human sacrifice saying THAT is ritual abuse. Which is it? You seem to be talking about two different things.The definition I have previously seen of ritual abuse is: abuse or murder done as part of a religious rite. Not all abuse that takes place over time is done with a religious ritual. Abuse that is done over and over in exactly the same way may be "ritualistic" but it doesn't have the same connotations for many people as "ritual abuse".
Serial killers who kill the same way over and over are "ritualistic" but they are not considered to be "ritual killers" unless there is some kind of religious rite attached to the murders.
Having been abused myself (and, by the definition in your first article, a victim of ritual abuse), I have a totally different view of what "ritual abuse" is.
-- posted by FactoryGirl
» svali - defining ritual abuse
Dear Factory Girl:You are right. Ritual abuse is a complex subject, and some people do define it as repeated abuse, done in the same context, usually with an underlying philosophical basis. When I was looking up definitions in dictionaries and therapist sites on the web, the more general term was used at times.
But the term is also used very frequently to describe abuse done by abusive cults. I have tended to focus on the second, narrower definition in my articles.
Really, ritual abuse can emcompass a large number of groups and philosphies. There are groups with any type of belief imaginable, that perpetrate on children in the name of their belief system. But my own experience was in the context of an abusive occult group, that at times did do ritual murders (although that was by no means the main focus of the group; it was done very rarely).
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this subject.
Best wishes,
svali
-- posted by svali
» eladrin - I just wanted to put out a few things for consideration:
I just wanted to put out a few things for consideration:Many of us are put in situations that we take for granted. We just accept the things others do to us as our fault or as natural, a fault of our perceptions. Many of you can probably remember things you did or put up with that now you wonder, "Why did I ever allow that?"
And even the rare few who have both the guts and the ability to rebel intellectually against such oppressors will find that they are usually unwelcomed "out of their element". The people trying to change don't know the rules, the small talk, the slang, all the stuff one needs to know to function with a different group. Even when they tolerate you, it can be lonely not to be understood and to feel "out of your element". Your element may be hellish, but at least you are familiar with it and learned how to deal with it. It's not just a condition found among those ritually abused, but with all of us. Those ritually abused react as most people do to similar situations.
And food for thought: The Nazis had an ingenious plan of disinformation as well as the eradication of the Jews and other undesirables. Many were taken to the camps and murdered systematically and their families thought they were in a halfway house of some kind or deported. In the vid *Hitler the Criminal* (the speaker does seem a bit naive about politics over all, but the quotes from those who were there does make this worth watching anyway), one Jew living in Nazi Germany during the purges said that he had no idea that millions of his people were being gassed or tortured to death. If someone told him to get out because this is happening, he'd have spit in their face!
That Jew was like, IS like, many people around him. Think about it...the systematic elimination of millions and alot of people didn't have a clue, or want a clue to the horror that was their daily lives.
Ritual abuse seems to pale in comparison. Unless you recognize it as the very same thing.
Food for thought.
-- posted by eladrin
» eladrin - Paperclip
Something else to consider on Nazi Germany. After the war, both the Russians and the Americans extracted several notorious Nazi doctors, considering them "reparations of war" or some such. I think the American side called it Operation Paperclip, but I'm not exactly sure. (Although there was such an op involved in this somehow.) A couple of years ago, I read in Time magazine how a nasty Japanese doctor of the same time was also salvaged for the US, thus escaping prosecution. (Basically, it was "Work for us or die." Nice, hu?)One, what did America and Russia WANT with these doctors? Somehow, I doubt it was to rehabilitate them, especially with all the evil experiments and programs that have come to light committed by our governments.
Two, there are stories of Illuminati assassinations against high political figures durring WW II. Could Illuminati moles in gov't pulled their political strings to get the Nazi doctors out, either as support for their fellows, or just in using and exploiting their methods if the two groups had nothing to do with each other.
It should be remembered that there are many conspiracies at work at a time, and those conspiracies are rife with infighting, treachery, and back stabbing. Many in such backgrounds don't even call them conspiracy, just "politics" or "just life". And while many Illuminati may be in politics, that doesn't mean that ALL the government belongs to the Illuminati. Rather bits and pieces of the government are controlled by different sects (and each sect having its own internal problems) and it's entirely possible that there are governmental offices free of any direct influence or corruption. All the same, members within the government would pull in their own cabinets and promote other individuals with similar goals, while trying to squeeze those who would interfere with those goals out.
Standard politics. Or, in other words, a conspiracy.
Svali, I'd love to hear what you know on all this.
-- posted by eladrin
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