PRESIDENTIAL CHILDREN: THE CLEVELAND KIDS
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» Tina_Coruth - Hi John!
Hi John!I have probably been through Tamworth -- I don't really remember. It is a small village of about 2300 people per the last census. It is located in Carroll County, which is on the eastern side of Central NH. Carroll County borders Maine.
Tamworth is located in a lovely part of the State -- well worth visiting. Here is description from a B&B site, which provides a good idea of Tamworth's excellent location:
Whispering Pines Bed & Breakfast
http://www.bedandbreakfast.com/bbc/p2019...
"Escape to the Foothills of the White Mountains to the quaint village of Tamworth, just minutes south of Conway. Tucked into the rolling hills between the White Mountains and the Winnipesaukee Lakes Region of NH - making it a perfect location for visiting both areas."
I don't know all that much about Grover Cleveland, but I found this site about his son who died in NH at the age of 92. It answers your question as to why the Clevelands came to Tamworth:
Cleveland's Tamworth Ties reach to childhood
http://barnstormers.theatre.com/fgcties....
"The Cleveland family began summering in Tamworth when he was a small boy, at the suggestion of the Finley family, longtime friends from Princeton."
I hope this information helps!
Tina
-- posted by Tina_Coruth
» Mugwump53 - Thanks Tina
Thanks for your inform ation and that wonderful site on Francis Cleveland. He sounds almost as interesting as his father.The area sounds wonderful as well. Next time I go to Maine, I may have to stop by there.
Thanks again for such a great contribution. Always glad to have you on this site.
-- posted by Mugwump53
» labruja25 - Oscar Folsom Cleveland
I was reading information on President Wilsons illegitimate son Oscar Folsom Cleveland, who was adopted by James and Sarah King who changed his name to James E. King, and was surprise to learn he was buried in my home town of Warren,Pa. beside his adopted parents in Oakland cemetery. I wonder how it would feel to have such a famous father and never be a part of his life?-- posted by labruja25
» Mugwump53 - Re: Oscar Folsom Cleveland
In response to message posted by labruja25:Hi, Labruja. I must correct your post in which you refer to President Wilson's illegitimate son. It was President Cleveland's son.
Cleveland accepted responsibility, even though he was not sure he was the boy's father, because the other men involved were married and he, Cleveland, had the least to lose as he was not married.
Cleveland supported Maria Halpin (the boy's mother) and Oscar. when Maria began drinking, the boy was placed in an orphanage, and was indeed adopted. He later became a doctor.
He is not the only child to be excluded from the Presidential life of the father. Warren Harding had a girl who also was supported but never allowed into his life. There may well be others we do not know about.
Thanks for posting here. I hope you drop by often.
-- posted by Mugwump53
» ossining - Re: Re: Oscar Folsom Cleveland
In response to message posted by Mugwump53:Greetings:
I actually met Francis Grover Cleveland (1903-95) 11 years ago. I was his house guest in New Hampshire and my wife and I were able to see one of his productions at THE BARNSTORMERS theatre. He complimented me by saying that I knew more about his father than he did. It was a thrill for me to meet him, and one of the happiest moments in my life.
My other 'connections' with the Cleveland children.
I remember writing to Esther Cleveland, and I will never forget the response she wrote to me:
She said: "I was born in the White House, married to (an Englishman) in Westminister Abbey, I will probably die anonymously in the street."
Marion Cleveland Dell Amen: You mentioned her affiliation with Girl Scouts, USA (GSUSA). I was employed with the GSUSA, and remember going through their archives and finding the telegram that announced Marion's husband's death (I believe in 1960). Also, I corresponded with her daughter Frances Payne who lived near me at one time.
As for the Oscar Folsom mystery...In researching this with the Cleveland Birthplace Memorial Association, many years ago, we came to the 'logical' theory that Oscar Folsom was NOT GC's son, but, rather his ' illegitimate brother-in-law.' Oscar Folsom, as we all know, was his law partner and FATHER of GC's eventual White House bride Frances Folsom. After his law partner's death, GC managed the Widow Folsom's finances and oversaw Young Frances' education. We believe that GC took the paternity rap in order to protect his friend's marriage. And why, if the kid was GC's, why then was the child named 'Oscar Folsom?' It makes one stop and think.
-- posted by ossining
» Mugwump53 - Re: Re: Re: Oscar Folsom Cleveland
In response to message posted by ossining:That is certainly one interpretation of the name. It is at least indication that OScar Folsom was one of the others Maria was having an affair with, and certainly an indication of her feelings for him.
But the fact remains that Maria was never sure who the father was, and the science of the time couldn't even come close to helping solve this mystery.
Always one of the more interesting mysteries to discuss. Thanks for your insights.
-- posted by Mugwump53
» jtop2005 - James E. King & mom Sarah-1920 census in Buffalo, Erie, New York
from the January 1920 census for Buffalo, New YorkSt. Joseph's Collegiate Institute
1. King, James E., 45, head of household, doctor, divorced, born in New York
2. King, Sarah H., 83, mother, widowed, born in New Hampshire
Family living at 1248 Main Street in Buffalo. (might be 1245 Main Street)
-- posted by jtop2005
» jtop2005 - 1860-1900 censuses for James E. King family
Note - ages and name spellings often vary in older censusesfrom June 1900 census for Buffalo, Erie County, NY
1. King, James E., 25, head of household, born Sept. 1874 in New York, single, physician
2. King, Sarah H., 58, mother, born July 1841 in New Hampshire, widowed
family living at 93 Niagara, home owned and free of mortgage
from 1880 census for Buffalo, Erie County, NY
1. King, James E., head, 53, physician and surgeon, born in Pennsylvania, father born in Connecticut, mother born in Pennsylvania
2. King, Sarah H., wife, 43, keeping house, born in New Hampshire, parents born in New Hampshire
3. King, James C., son, 5, born in New York
3. Sadie Orange, niece, 13, born in New Hampshire, parents born in New Hampshire
4. the Boyce family and a female servant
note - middle initial for James was probably a transcription error
from June 1870 census for Buffalo, Erie County, NY
1. King, James E., 46, physician, born in Pennsylvania
2. King, Sarah H., 20, keeping house, born in New Hampshire
3. King, Mary, 6, born in Massachusetts
4. King, Betsey, 79, born in New York
family living at 659, subdivision no. 29
from July 1860 census for Ninth Ward, Buffalo, Erie County, New York
1. King, James E., 39, physician, born in Pennsylvania
2. King, Sarah H., 26, born in New Hampshire
3. Kendale, Charles W., 29, painter, born in New Hampshire
4. Holleran, Ellen, 22, servant, born in Ireland
-- posted by jtop2005
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