War on Iraq is part of compaign for colonisation

Top 14. Apr 9, 2003 7:51 PM

» Brian Tubbs - Democratic Election of Bush

In response to message posted by JohnRutherford:

I don't mean this as an attack, since my memory may be in error. But I believe that, after various news media organizations combed through and analyzed all the Florida ballots (dimpled chads and all), they reported that, had Gore won his case before the High Court, he STILL would have lost to Bush.

There were OTHER variations of counting approaches that gave the edge to Gore, as I recall. But, the approach championed by Gore and his legal team was not among those that would have changed the outcome. That's my recollection. If someone wants to pull up some evidence that corrects me, I would welcome that.

The main point I want to make here is that 2000 must simply go down in history as one of the closest and hotly contested presidential elections in American history. But it's time to get over it and move on. The U.S. is still a Republic. The American people still ultimately determine their leaders. The sky is not falling. The sun still rises in the East. Yadda, yadda, yadda. It's time to get over it and stop dwelling on 2000. You Dems need to focus your energy and attention on 2004.

-- posted by Brian Tubbs

Top 15. Apr 9, 2003 7:54 PM

» Brian Tubbs - Images of Today

While there was that temporary diplomatic faux pas of the American flag being put on the statue of Saddam Hussein, the images of Iraqi civilians kissing American flags, dancing with joy in the streets, and dragging the Saddam's statuesque head down the street should put to rest ANY supposition that this is a war of American imperialism. As far as the vast majority of Iraqi civilians are concerned, this has been a war of liberation. And it is THEIR opinion that should matter the most when it comes to their own country, don't you all agree?

-- posted by Brian Tubbs

Top 16. Apr 9, 2003 9:32 PM

» plox - Re: I don't agree with you about much Brian

In response to message posted by BrianTubbs:

and will be watching to see what Bush&Co do in Iraq and elsewhere.
I hope the Iraqi people still feel liberated a year from now.
You always sound so much like the official spokespeople for the Bush administration it is amazing to me.

-- posted by plox

Top 17. Apr 10, 2003 7:41 AM

» mswogger - Re: Images of Today

In response to message posted by BrianTubbs:

I agree that watching the Iraqi people in such jubilation when the statue of Saddam was torn down was quite a wonderful thing. And we have reason to be joyous over their ability to finally express themselves. But certainly, if Afghanistan is any indication, I'd hold my celebration for now.

-- posted by mswogger

Top 18. Apr 10, 2003 6:57 PM

» chuckn - Re: Re: Images of Today, not Yesterday

In response to message posted by mswogger:

Oh, yeah! Quite a jubilant bunch of folks! Let's go liberate some more countries!

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. forces in Iraq grappled with looting and civil disorder, scattered gun fights, the brutal murder of a Shi'ite religious leader in a holy shrine and a suicide bomb attack on Thursday, which shattered much of the euphoria that had marked the end of Saddam Hussein's rule.

-- posted by chuckn

Top 19. Apr 10, 2003 7:07 PM

» spondulix - Re: Democratic Election of Bush

In response to message posted by BrianTubbs:

Brian, "had Gore won his case before the High court, he still would have lost to Bush."

You are comming very close to hitting the nail on the head. However, if Bush hadn't lied during the campaign about letting states handle state questions, and instead took the matter to the U.S. supreme court, because he was afraid he would lose at the state level, then if the vote had Gone against Gore we DEmocrats wouldn't be making such a stink out of it. Just like you republicans did the whole time Clinton was in office screaming he didn't really win because he didn't receive over 50% of the vote.

And as far as your comment that demos need to get over it, i will not Get Over it. I can understand why republicans keep saying that, because every time they hear it repeated, it reminds them that their man who ran his campaign on the soul issue of returning intregrity to the white house, proved he didn't have any.

spondulix

-- posted by spondulix

Top 20. Apr 10, 2003 7:29 PM

» spondulix - Re: Images of Today

In response to message posted by BrianTubbs:

Brian do you really want to stand by your statement?

"Any supposition that this is a war of American imperialism. as far as the vast majority of Iraqi civilians are concerned, this has been a war of liberation"

Since when have you become the spokesman for the Iraq?

I would also have this to add i don't believe for a second that this has been a war to liberate Iraq, not one second.

Spondulix

-- posted by spondulix

Top 21. Apr 10, 2003 7:37 PM

» spondulix - Re: Democratic Election of Bush

In response to message posted by BrianTubbs:

Brian the Supreme Court Steals Election.

The Court halted the Florida recount for 2 days and then claimed time had run out. In reality the actual deadline for certification of votes was six weeks off. The day after the supposed deadline 37 other states still hadn't certified their votes.

The U.s. S. Court based their decision on the grounds that a statewide recount would do "irreparable harm to Bush" That was the phase used by Justice Antonia Scalia.

This is how the outcome was reported by the NORC report of various scenariors for the florida vote.

Recount:

Prevailing standard: Gore wins by 60
Custom Standard: Gore wins by 171
Most inclusive: Gore wins by 107
Most restrictive: Gore by 115
Bush Standard: Gore by 105

A full recount would have given Gore the election.

-- posted by spondulix

Top 22. Apr 10, 2003 8:40 PM

» plox - Re: Re: Democratic Election of Bush

In response to message posted by spondulix:

Curtis, of all the people I have met, on all the sites I have been on, YOU have the most accurate bullsh*t detector.
And you always have the facts handy.

-- posted by plox