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New Thought: A Faith, A Philosophy, A Way of Life

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Top 25.   Jul 25, 2005 6:11 AM

» Pinky102 - Cat's Point

In response to Re: Re: Re: Small Question posted by sacred_insights:

Cat, you wrote:

"You assume much here there are many differences:"
And, my comment had been that the main difference between you and the Fundamentalists appears to be in your doctrines. There is no end to doctrinology--it is defined in litany.

And, you both seem bound for convincing everyone else that you've got the final answers to all the questions of life. You even claim to have two-way access to persons who have passed into the after life whatever that is.

Don't get me wrong. That's perfectly okay and it's your perogative; but, you shouldn't be knocking the Fundamentalists for--pretty much--doing the same things.

-- posted by Pinky102



Top 26.   Jul 25, 2005 6:34 AM

» sacred_insights - Re: Cat's Point

In response to Cat's Point posted by Pinky102:

And, you both seem bound for convincing everyone else that you've got the final answers to all the questions of life.

No I have what works for me. If others want to know where I find strength and spirituality they can ask. If something I have said makes sense to someone then great. If not great also. This was a discussion to compare views and that is all I was doing. Some how you seem say I should not do so and yet your whole topic is about what you believe. It may not be doctrinal but you certainly are as dogmatic as any Fundamentalist I have seen to date. So I guess you are no better than they are either lol and yet you seem to be implying you are? smile

you shouldn't be knocking the Fundamentalists for--pretty much--doing the same things.

Not knocking them for believing what they do but when it is used to abuse others and deny certain members of society the same rights as the rest of us it is a problem IMO. And when it is forced on others through legislation and political power it is even more dangerous.

Cat

-- posted by sacred_insights



Top 27.   Jul 25, 2005 7:29 AM

» Pinky102 - Dogmatism

In response to Re: Cat's Point posted by sacred_insights:

I guess this could continue but I don't see any reason to get even with you. As far as I'm concerned, you can have the day. I was only making an observation in conclusion of your comments as they seemed to come across to me and according to this discussion which I have thoroughly enjoyed. Anyone who has followed along has the right to comment and I suppose we might all have drawn different conclusions.

As far as what you say about me, well, I've made my opinions known on the various groups that seem to be pushing for more equality than others have and I've made it clear what I think about that. You don't have much evidence on which to paint me with the brush of dogmatism which is the arrogant assertion of unproved or unprovable principles. But, maybe you do. Do you? smile

Things seem to have gone in a downward spiral since I criticized your behavior in the ettiquete thread. Do you have any thoughts for changing that direction?

-- posted by Pinky102



Top 28.   Jul 25, 2005 8:05 AM

» Pinky102 - Pinky's Point

In response to Re: Cat's Point posted by sacred_insights:

"I CELEBRATE myself;
And what I assume you shall assume;
For every atom belonging to me, as good belongs to you." ---Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass

-- posted by Pinky102



Top 29.   Jul 25, 2005 8:28 AM

» spiritalk - Re: Re: Small Question

In response to Re: Small Question posted by sacred_insights:

Life, including the afterlife, is an adventure. One experience at a time teaches us and when the experiencer can share, more can learn.

Yes, we know...but no one is privy to all truth. We have our piece and we appreciate it for what it does. Opening to learn and grow is also a big part of Spiritualism. If you asked another Spiritualism follower their thoughts (hence Cat's question to Richard about it being a personal belief or a part of New Thought at every step!) you may get another perspective. We are not dogmatic in any way.

Fundamentalists have closed minds (that cannot be disputed as just an opinion...it is rampant in suite) and they are not open to learn...they have their book and it works for them...God bless them in their beliefs. But to suggest that another group is that closed to any other thought, is quite insulting.

Richard pointed out that it is called New thought because it can and does constantly evolve and change. It gave me some thought to the fact we call it Modern Spiritualism...and just maybe someone in the past had that same idea? Spiritualism followers are open to the tried and tested of life.

From the Kasidah, Part IV:

All faith is false, all faith is true: Truth is the shattered mirror, strewn in myriad bits, while each believes his little piece to own.

God bless, J

-- posted by spiritalk



Top 30.   Jul 25, 2005 9:29 AM

» sacred_insights - Re: Dogmatism

In response to Dogmatism posted by Pinky102:

Yes I did comment on what I think are arbitrary (bogus) rules of etiquette that you seem to use inconsistently to shut down views that you do not agree to or those that are challenging you to examine your own thinking. In that way I find your topic dogmatic, dictatorial and typically Christian in the Fundamentalist flavour that is popular here at Suite. That being the sense I get of it then it is not a place for real discussion unless one agrees with the editor. Seems to me that is not where I fit so I best move on from that kind of nonsense.

As for this discussion it was simply a comparison of different views and that was I think a good exercise in itself.

I think you best read spiritalk's comments posted to me they were I think intended for you.

And she is right in her understanding that I am interested in Richard's lack of belief in an afterlife. I would like to know if this belief is held by most in New Thought or if that is something that is personal to Richard.

It will be interesting to continue this discussion as was intended.

Cat

-- posted by sacred_insights



Top 31.   Jul 25, 2005 9:57 AM

» Pinky102 - Re: Re: Dogmatism

In response to Re: Dogmatism posted by sacred_insights:

"It will be interesting to continue this discussion as was intended."

My suggestion is that you take a good look at your attacks since I made my first observation about the thread dialog.

smile

Check your email box.

-- posted by Pinky102



Top 32.   Jul 25, 2005 10:57 AM

» sacred_insights - Re: Re: Re: Dogmatism

In response to Re: Re: Dogmatism posted by Pinky102:

What you consider observations seems could be taken as attacks... Seems spiritalk found your comments here re Spiritualism as the same as Fundamentalism to be highly insulting... Perhaps your language and associations re not as neutral and non-offensive as you would like imagine they are? You came in attacking my experience as being presented as absolute truth... Seems you made an assumption not me. I think you are the one with issues here Phil. smile I just said I know what I know based on my experience and research and I am sure Richard or any others could make the same claim and yet you find fault with me? Oh well I guess it is because I don't buy your convoluted notion of Christian mythology as good for society. But then that is my view and take it for what it is worth. On that note, I reserve the right to question and challenge ideas that seem nonsensical to me especially if it is assumed by some that we *MUST* buy in. In my view there always more than one limited choice you seem to be offering folks. I see my belief as one of many and you seem to think buying into the Christian mythology as you present it in your topic is best for society and that we have no choice because it is so embedded in our culture. I simply disagree as is my right as a rational, critically thinking human being. I choose to progress beyond the limitations you and other Christians wish to set for me and that is what seems to get to you as best I can tell. So tell me again who is dogmatic in their views??

As for the rest of the discussion I will be interested to see what Richard has to say about how his beliefs compare to others who follow New Thought.

Cat

-- posted by sacred_insights



Top 33.   Jul 25, 2005 11:21 AM

» Pinky102 - This Kind of Messaging

In response to Re: Re: Re: Dogmatism posted by sacred_insights:

This kind of messaging is better handled by email. Have you checked yours lately?

smile

If you want to continue here, maybe you or Richard would like to create a special thread for the purpose. Then Richard could move these non-topic posts over there.

-- posted by Pinky102



Top 34.   Jul 25, 2005 11:40 AM

» sacred_insights - Re: This Kind of Messaging

In response to This Kind of Messaging posted by Pinky102:

Since you started the discussion publicly this is where I kept it. I have said all I have to say on the matter re your assumptions or mine. Now getting back to the original topic of the thread seems to be the best course of action.

Cat

-- posted by sacred_insights



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