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God: Creator. . .or Magician?Read the article this discussion is about
This archived discussion is "read only". « Previous 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next » » HarvestMoon - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Virgin Birth What I want to know is, why does God expect us to do things he doesn't do himself? "Turn the other cheek" and "forgive seventy times seven"--not "forgive only if you kill something of yours and they profess to believe you killed it for them so they can be worthy enough for your forgiveness." Handing out free forgiveness seems more like something God should be capable of doing than lowly human beings. Yet God expects something from us in return, like we owe him for creating us and giving us the free will to have our own ideas. But it's not news that the Biblical God is self-serving, jealous and petty.I'll have to put Spong's new book on my Amazon with list, I loved his Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism. Kaci -- posted by HarvestMoon » hawknut - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Virgin Birth In response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Virgin Birth posted by HarvestMoon:Hello Kaci, You introduced an interesting view on the traditional Jewish attitudes towards women. Do you think the OT God was/is depicted as a misogynist because the authors of these scriptures were? Is it really God's attitude, or just that of mere men? -- posted by hawknut » hawknut - Re: Re: Virgin Birth In response to Re: Virgin Birth posted by ArthurRuger:That was a lot to digest, Arthur. Enjoyable. Christ as a mortal man was a devout and practicing Jew who never departed from His Jewish perception and understanding of God, and who certainly did not “remake” God into something else. IMO, I don't think Jesus remade God, but clearly exposed to the Jews that they had done so. He did, on several occasions, ignore and refute Jewish 'tradition' (ritualistic hand washing, Sabbath work, etc.), which indicates to me that he did indeed depart in his practice of Judaism. I don't view him as a devout Jew, but as an author of a type of spirituality new to the Jews in particular. Was this spirituality new to the world? Did not other 'pagan' faiths believe in a loving personal relationship with their God? I don't know. What do you think? -- posted by hawknut » hawknut - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Virgin B In response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Virgin Birth posted by Craig93:It's very unlikely that so many of them would go and face the firing squad for a lie, or be horribly tortured like many of them were. Throughout the ages, men have died for a cause, Craig. For a right one and a wrong one - a truth and a lie... The Crusades. Jonestown. Waco. 9-11. World wars and police actions. Civil and human rights movements. Suicide bombings in Iraq. Etcetera. -- posted by hawknut » _Boanerges_ - Bird Watching! In response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Virgin Birth posted by hawknut:Perhaps you've noticed that few here reply to one poster. You're learning firsthand why this is Maybe its because of the brotherhood of man doctine you liberals try so hard not to demonstrate, but are good at talking about it hey Hawknuts, I thought you might like this new topic! No bird debates... Just warm and fuzzy Birdwatching in My Backyard by Tina Coruth -- posted by _Boanerges_ » HarvestMoon - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Virgin Birth In response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Virgin Birth posted by hawknut:>>Perhaps you've noticed that few here reply to one poster. You're learning firsthand why this is so.<< I know I shouldn't, but sometimes I forget how much it hurts to beat my head against a brick wall and need reminding. LOL >>Do you think the OT God was/is depicted as a misogynist because the authors of these scriptures were? Is it really God's attitude, or just that of mere men?<< Misogyny is the creation of men. Before patriarchy was matriarchy, with female gods. Kaci -- posted by HarvestMoon » _Boanerges_ - brick walls! lol In response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Virgin Birth posted by HarvestMoon:The ONLY thing I've said on this subject at ALL is that men were thought to contribute the entire DNA of the child and women were only the carrying vessels. You must be confusing me with someone else. Kaci Hmmm.. if that is ALL you said, then how did you arrive at all the following? (your first message addressing a non-issue) 1. Let's not forget the socio-historical context here as well. Two thousand years ago, it was thought that women contributed nothing to making babies, they were just the vessel that carried them. The entire child came from the father. Actually, the testimony of the women is what set in motion, Christianity. Imagine starting a truth based on a womens testimony! Kinda flies in the face of your claim, although [some] of it is truth. As I said early, certainly not all believed as you presented, with examples of Hosea, Ruth, Esther and Sarah to name only a few.. Hmm.. and you arrived at this conclusion by what logical thought process? 3. So, Jesus was 100% divine, if you believe Mary was indeed a virgin. What has divinty to do with virginity? A redundant statement, which.. not sure what the point is actually.. 4. Which makes it very odd that he referred to himself repeatedly as the Son of Man. Hmm... you must be an evolutionist? Do you believe that [men and women] developed from pond scum? If not, then they must have been created! Take oyur pick, then do as Phil suggest, deconstruct! Oh well.. Maybe it would probably be better to talk to a brick wall! That way, it won't answer, which is the definition of being completly open minded for sure! Acts 7:56 And Stephen said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. -- posted by _Boanerges_ » hawknut - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Virgin B In response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Virgin Birth posted by HarvestMoon:I forget how much it hurts to beat my head against a brick wall and need reminding. LOL Tee heee. I've hit a lot of brick walls, Kaci. I learned that beating the wall only hurts me, not the wall. Misogyny is the creation of men. Before patriarchy was matriarchy, with female gods Ah hah... Man's revenge for being subjugated by women goddesses all those centuries, ay? -- posted by hawknut » RichardSpeaks - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Virg In response to Bo"I wonder what else is human invention?" The OT god, for one thing. Pope Benedict for another. Every last word of the Bible. Evolution in the present sense. Religion, philosophy. You get the picture. -- posted by RichardSpeaks » _Boanerges_ - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: In response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Virg posted by RichardSpeaks:
In response to Bo "I wonder what else is human invention?" I did not make that quote....... Not sure who did! But in response to your statement: The OT god, for one thing. Pope Benedict for another. Every last word of the Bible. Evolution in the present sense. Religion, philosophy. You get the picture. Human Invention? I thought sliced bread was the #1 of all inventions?.... -- posted by _Boanerges_ « Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next » Please follow the guidelines set forth in the Suite101 Posting Etiquette when adding to the discussion. |
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