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Is Armageddon Just Around The Corner?Read the article this discussion is about
This archived discussion is "read only". » RichardSpeaks - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A Point of the Issue Involved In response to reddeer20And of course, you are right again. What I am trying to impress is that it can and has been taken to mean a variety of different things. The Strictests, as I call them, still believe that Jesus' message was only to the Jews. It wasn't that he was anti-gentile, per se. It's just that, since the Jews were chosen, they should, legitimately, rule. The rest of the world should submit. Hence, the crumbs. Jerusalem is the holy city, not Rome, not Moscow, not Athens, not Cairo, and definitely not London. I mention those cities because religious movements of Christian flavors have either arisen there, or moved there. In the meantime, Jesus never taught Christianity as Paul did. His was a movement of 'love one another' and 'do unto others' and the like. Paul's message was more dire; you believe this way or burn. Maybe not those exact words, but the point was clear. And it's been shoved down throats ever since. Christianity, which once was persecuted by both Jew and Roman, within a few short decades after Paul, became the torturer. Why? Because they had The Truth and if you didn't accept it, well, we'll send you to hell right now. Let's not wait for the tribulation. Last thing: you can take most of the Old Testament and flush it down the toilet as far as I'm concerned. I have often said, and I reiterate, I would rather spend an eternity in hell than a moment with the God of the OT. Unconditional Love needs no worship, no praise, not even acknowledgment. The God of the OT needs all of that and more. Love? HA! Ego and ego only. -- posted by RichardSpeaks » RichardSpeaks - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A Point of the Issue Involved In response to Pinky102The sad part is, even all this stuff will be accepted by some and denied by others. If you've been reading reddeer20 here, he/she claims to be a Christian, and yet doesn't accept any of what I, and the practitioners have been suggesting. The Methodist won't accept the dogma of the Baptist, who won't accept the dogma of the Lutheran, who won't accept the dogma of the Seventh Day Adentist, and none of them will accept the dogmas of the Catholic, Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, Unitarian, and of course, New Thought. Christians cannot and never have been able to agree among themselves. Peter and Paul disagreed. Augustine and Origen disagreed, and on it goes. So, how can we expect a coming together of the worldwide religious community when even the religions themselves can't come together within themselves? We can't. So, I guess we'll have to just live with it, like we always have. But we can still discuss, right?? If you want to experience a bizarre approach to the whole Rapture thing, try this website: The Rapture - www.accdatbooks.com And BTW, it's been relatively dry and in the upper 50s and into the 60s here in Portland. LA and San Fran got all of our rain this winter. Bad for them, bad for us. We need the rain to keep everything green and not turn it all to tinder by summer. Fires, you know. But I'm not complaining... -- posted by RichardSpeaks » Pinky102 - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A Point of the Issue Involved In response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A Point of the Issue Involved posted by RichardSpeaks:I think the thing that makes all this talk interesting is that it is bizarre. In fact, it is more bizarre than interesting. When I began digging deep and getting past the area where it was wrong to ask questions, I started to realize why asking questions is a taboo. I'm reading a book, The Life of Pi, and in the first part the main character finds Jesus, buys into being a Muslim and is a Hindu--all three concurrent with each other. And, the lesson is a good insight into how the priesthood operates. It's the same, more or less, in each of the three. When the character is confronted by the three priests it is put to him that he cannot possibly be a Hindu who follows Jesus and accepts the teachings of Mohammed (pboh) all three at the same time. But, in his innocence that was exactly what he was doing. Anyone who wants a little enlightenment should read the book. -- posted by Pinky102 » RichardSpeaks - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A Point of the Issue Involved In response to Pinky102Interesting. Since New Thought adherents accept that there is only One Power, any name or combo of names certainly works. If there is power in words, and there is, then whatever name one chooses to call that Power will act like a magnificent placebo. The Name can heal, destroy, or even enlighten. You're familiar with placebos, right?? -- posted by RichardSpeaks » Pinky102 - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A Point of the Issue Involved In response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A Point of the Issue Involved posted by RichardSpeaks:Oh, yeah. I know the power of suggestion. -- posted by Pinky102 » RichardSpeaks - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A Point of the Issue Involve In response to Pinky102So did Jesus, so did Muhammed, so did the Buddha. You and I are in good company. For anyone else reading this little discussion, let it be known that I attribute ALL so-called supernatural power to the placebo effect, to the power of suggestion. And that's not a bad thing. It shows us how much power WE actually have. Spontaneous remission, burying St. Joseph head first to sell your house, and all those little things you do to create good luck work. Because of the placebo effect. You are a powerful being. Don't let anyone tell you any differently. -- posted by RichardSpeaks » plox - Re: a powerful being In response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A Point of the Issue Involve posted by RichardSpeaks:I agree that the placebo effect is genuine, but believe miraculous healings can be "other" than that in some cases. I read religious discussions and paranormal discussions with equal interest because similiar experiences are described in dissimiliar words. People speak from the paradigm they are living in, whether it is Jesus or energy flows. -- posted by plox » reddeer20 - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A Point of the Issue Involved In response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A Point of the Issue Involved posted by RichardSpeaks:>>>>"If you've been reading reddeer20 here, he/she claims to be a Christian, and yet doesn't accept any of what I, and the practitioners have been suggesting"<<< What a load! - if you care to reread my posts you will find that I have disagreed with you on some points and totally agreed with you on others. Doesn't accept any - a total fabricatiion! -- posted by reddeer20 » RichardSpeaks - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A Point of the Issue Involved In response to reddeer20My apologies. I wasn't clear enough and I take full responsibility for that. What I meant was, you don't accept the fundamentalist idea of the rapture. You indeed have agreed on some points and disagreed on others. That's what makes a discussion. I appreciate that. Again, my apologies. -- posted by RichardSpeaks » RichardSpeaks - Re: Re: a powerful being In response to ploxThanks for sharing. You are right: people do speak from the paradigm they live in, and believing in the miraculous is one such paradigm. -- posted by RichardSpeaks Please follow the guidelines set forth in the Suite101 Posting Etiquette when adding to the discussion. |
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