Jesus: A problem for the Christian Right

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  1. _Boanerges_
  2. hawknut
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  4. Pinky102
  5. hawknut
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  7. plox
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Top 93.   Jan 25, 2005 12:32 AM

» _Boanerges_ - Re: The Scandal of the Evangelical Conscience

In response to The Scandal of the Evangelical Conscience posted by ArthurCRuger:

I ask the question again? Which is the greater evil in the world, abortion in the U.S. or U.S.-sponsored military killing of babies AND their pregnant mothers in Iraq?

Hmmm... Well, based on your question, and using your standard, "the greater evil"... then by far, Abortion is the greater evil, with 40+ million deaths.

As for your stats of who says what and who does what, remember what Jesus said:

Matthew 7:23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

A true, born again Christian, has always had the evidence of a changed life (2Tim:3:10). If your witness of faith does not hold, then you are not practicing your faith (Matt:7:13). It's a simple thing actually... Take me for example; forgoing my homosexuality. I preach it immoral, and as a result, have not practiced it for nearly 6 years.

Concerning homosexuality... I really could care less what anyone does in their own home, but... do tell us Arthur, why should homosexual's be allowed marriage, as a civil right, equal to that of one man and one women?

Since when was it a civil right to deny children a mother and a father?

W....

ps>> I will address any issue you have, Arthur.

-- posted by _Boanerges_



Top 94.   Jan 25, 2005 6:34 AM

» hawknut - Yep

(where the refusal to speak directly to the more urgent moral issues is obvious) while - much like Bush the debater - restricting themselves to "safe" topics and criticisms that have proven useful.

See example above.

-- posted by hawknut



Top 95.   Jan 25, 2005 7:13 AM

» hawknut - Super Saints?

From the ChristianityToday article:

"The good news is that the "saints" lived differently. Only 42 percent of the strongly uncommitted spent "a good deal of time" helping people in need, but 73 percent of the "saints" and 85 percent of the "super-saints" did.39 Only 63 percent of the spiritually uncommitted reported that they would not object to having a neighbor of a different race. But 84 percent of the "saints" and 93 percent of the "super-saints" said they would not object.40 Interestingly, a disproportionate share of the saints were women, African Americans, and persons earning less than $25,000 per year."

Poor black women - who know first-hand what it's like to be needy and discriminated against. They are walking the walk, while the white evangelical preachers get rich talking the talk. God bless these women!

-- posted by hawknut



Top 96.   Jan 25, 2005 7:36 AM

» Pinky102 - Re: Super Saints?

In response to Super Saints? posted by hawknut:


All liberals owes it to themselves to spend at least half an hour a week watching John Hagee; another half hour watching the Pat Robertson program.

How many nonchrinstians see them and decide these people speak on behalf of all Christendom?

At least Jimmy Swaggert is a real human being as well as being a great world class entertainer.

-- posted by Pinky102



Top 97.   Jan 25, 2005 8:42 AM

» hawknut - Re: Re: Super Saints?

In response to Re: Super Saints? posted by Pinky102:

spend at least half an hour a week watching John Hagee; another half hour watching the Pat Robertson program.

Sorry, PJ, I just can't stomach it anymore.

-- posted by hawknut



Top 98.   Jan 25, 2005 9:21 AM

» Pinky102 - Re: Re: Re: Super Saints?

In response to Re: Re: Super Saints? posted by hawknut:

"anymore" seems to connote that you've spent your tour of duty and don't need any more of it jambed down your throat. Me too. But, if you get a chance, watch Jimmy Swagger if just for the entertainment. He's got show-biz in his blood and, if you like that kind of music, he's great. smile

-- posted by Pinky102



Top 99.   Jan 25, 2005 10:02 AM

» plox - Re: showbiz talent in the blood

In response to Re: Re: Re: Super Saints? posted by Pinky102:

Jimmie Swaggert, Micky Gilley, and Jerry Lee Lewis...cousins who grew up in Louisiana.
Swaggert the televangelist, singer/pianist Lewis who married his verrry young cousin, and country&western singer Gilley owner of supposedly the world's biggest "western saloon".
All highly talented entertainers.

I always liked Lewis's music, and used to know someone who transported drugs from Georgia/Florida to Gilley's, but never watched Swaggert except on the evening news when he got caught with hookers.

-- posted by plox



Top 100.   Jan 25, 2005 10:32 AM

» plox - a question for any and all

I have seen (frequently!) the assertation that the proof that one is a real Christian is a changed lifestyle.
All the people who claim this the loudest point to their own former wildly dysfunctional and/or extremely self-absorbed behavior.

One might get the impression that just ordinary decent people are not really Christians since their life habits don't markedly change after baptism.
Comments???

-- posted by plox



Top 101.   Jan 25, 2005 11:19 AM

» hawknut - Re: Re: Re: Re: Super Saints?

In response to Re: Re: Re: Super Saints? posted by Pinky102:

watch Jimmy Swagger

Hee hee... 'swagger' is a good name for what he does. smile Did you mean for me to catch that?

-- posted by hawknut



Top 102.   Jan 25, 2005 11:52 AM

» hawknut - Re: a question for any and all

In response to a question for any and all posted by plox:

One might get the impression that just ordinary decent people are not really Christians since their life habits don't markedly change after baptism. Comments???

Supposing their life habits didn't need drastic changing? You know, being an ordinary decent person in the first place. In that case, it would be kinda hard to see a difference in them.

-- posted by hawknut



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