Jesus: A problem for the Christian Right

Top 34. Jan 22, 2005 10:53 AM

» _Boanerges_ - Re: Re: Think about it! ???

In response to Re: Think about it! ??? posted by hawknut:

True nuff, Plox. Jesus said, "...For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks." (Mat 12:34).

Actually, Matthew said that.... But, according to your question to me a few messages back, I would have to ask you to rethink your reply to plox. How can you now quote Jesus on anything?

re: Hawknut: But I'll ask you a question: What ~specifically~ did ~JESUS~ have to say about homosexuality in the New Testament? (In case you're tempted, Paul and Jude are not NOT Jesus.)

I could have answered this with Matthew.. But, since you said not to quote others, then, I did not. Now you are.. But, earlier you said I could not... Hmmm.. As you can see, Liberalism is an oxymoron within Christianity smile

W...

-- posted by _Boanerges_

http://www.wearefamilyfoundation.org/Art...

Top 35. Jan 22, 2005 10:53 AM

» hawknut - Re: The Sponge

In response to Re: Re: Think about it! posted by _Boanerges_:

I was listening to talk radio hosts laughing at Dobson, and reading humorous criticisms on news web sites. One radio host said, "the yellow sponge lives in a pineapple under the sea, but that's as queer as it gets". I hope Dobson and all his Fundy homophobic fellows realize how absolutely ~ridiculous~ they appear to ~normal~ people.

Homosexual by association: --- all the characters from Arthur, Barney, Bear in the Big Blue House, Between the Lions, Blue's Clues, Bob the Builder, The Book of Pooh, Clifford the Big Red Dog, Dora the Explorer, Jimmy Neutron, JoJo's Circus, Kim Possible, Lilo & Stitch: The Series, Madeline, The Magic School Bus, The Muppet Show, The Proud Family, Rugrats, Sesame Street, and Zoom.

I'll be sure to tell my grand daughter they all represent the gay agenda, and Dobson says she can't watch them anymore. We'll have to throw out her Dora jacket and Big Bird doll. Oh, and that family-values guy Bill Cosby - yeah, he's one of em too, cuz he's in the video. And all those who funded and partnered to make the 'love your neighbor' video, like Disney, Sesame Workshop, the Anti-Defamation League, Nickelodeon, Scholastic Entertainment ...

Arthur's point was well made. The Fundies avoid and trivialize very important issues by focusing on such silliness. That's ALL I'll say on SpongeBob.

-- posted by hawknut

Top 36. Jan 22, 2005 11:37 AM

» _Boanerges_ - Re: Re: The Sponge

In response to Re: The Sponge posted by hawknut:

The Fundies avoid and trivialize very important issues by focusing on such silliness.

Oh? I didn't.. I asked you and Arthur specifically, why do you discriminate against, Pedophilia, Polygamy, First generation blood relatives, and bestiality.....

They are awaiting your answers...... No silliness on that, as you can obviously see...

Remember, 'We Are Family' said we should not be intolerant of [sexual identity], which is the purpose for the video. So, I think we should start making videos and putting them in the schools and on childrens cartoon shows and let them know ALL their choices.. Don't you???

You can be sure they are bitting at the bit to throw havic at [our] children... so that they can do as 'We Are Family' propagates.... How sweet, the can of worms is ready to be opened... Now, don't be intolerant of their sexual desires.. Oh, I mean identities... Sorry, not Politically Correct of me to say, desires smile ...

I suppose we come back to the 3 questions I have asked, and so has the preacher, from the article you linked... We need to discuss these 'moral' issues...But... instead, we only get more complainting..

Do you have any guts to stand on anything, moral?

..W

-- posted by _Boanerges_

Top 37. Jan 22, 2005 11:46 AM

» plox - Re: Re: Think about it!

In response to Re: Think about it! posted by hawknut:

"...your mind still wallows in perversion..."

Yes, I have wondered just why someone is driven to flaunt personal thoughts about sexual perversions in the religion topics.
Topics mostly participated in by mature, straight parents of both genders, btw.

-- posted by plox

Top 38. Jan 22, 2005 11:49 AM

» _Boanerges_ - Re: Re: Re: Think about it!

In response to Re: Re: Think about it! posted by plox:

Yes, I have wondered just why someone is driven to flaunt personal thoughts about sexual perversions in the religion topics.

gee, plox.. We are only discussing Arthur's article....

Quote from Arthur's article:

Issues around civil liberties
particularly those specified in both the Constitution and Declaration of Independence continue only as modern crusaders studiously ignore Jesus. If the judgmental and punitive "God" of the Old Testament spoke specifically against homosexuality and with rigid cruelty toward the rights and dignity of women, corresponding rigidity and cruelty are not found among the sayings of the Living-God, Jesus
Or are we inspired toward peace when all we get from James Dobson is the pompous proclamation that "So you could have polygamy. You could have incest. You could have marriage between a father and a daughter. You could have two widows, or two sisters or two brothers." [if we don't pass a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.]

Hmmm???... Good question.... Gee plox, did you not read Arthur's article????....

As you can see, I did not bring up this subject, as much as you would like to think so smile ...LOL...

...W

-- posted by _Boanerges_

Top 39. Jan 22, 2005 11:58 AM

» hawknut - Arthur wrote...

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"We cannot remain timid with these religious demagogues, for that is what they truly are and practice. They have not been timid with us, acting instead with brazenness based on some sort of religious intimidation..."

And that's what it's all about... intimidation to gain control and power over all others. Hardly reflects Jesus' great command to 'love your neighbor'.

-- posted by hawknut

Top 40. Jan 22, 2005 12:07 PM

» _Boanerges_ - Re: Arthur wrote...

In response to Arthur wrote... posted by hawknut:

I agree... Who are you to impose your liberal religious morality upon the vast majority who reject such 'silliness'..... (note: 38 states voted not to accept same sex marriage)

Care to now discuss, moral issues?.... Or, shall we be divided and go to war, further dividing this great nation of ours? After all, it is not my article, nor is it my subject.. I have only just responded to that which was projected upon me, by the internationalized liberal left....

Would you care to tell us why homosexuals should be allowed to marriage, equal to that of one man and one woman. That, my friend, is the question.

But.. you seem not to want to answer this.. Instead, you are good at labeling and branding people. Just the opposite of what your preacher aticle suggests and that which 'We Are Family' advocates, tolerance of sexual identities...

This will won't go away!.. Care to start debating this as an adult or would you prefer to continue at your intolerance of those who want to have their sexual identities recognized. We could start with 'gay' people. Then, the pedophiles will want to know why [they] cannot have their rights... Hmmm... Truly a difficult subject. Care to add something of value to this, or would you rather just keep on labeling and branding, forcing your intolerance? This is the question... Or, are you blind to the whole scope of this question?

W....

-- posted by _Boanerges_

Top 41. Jan 22, 2005 12:48 PM

» hawknut - Re: Re: Arthur wrote...

In response to Re: Arthur wrote... posted by _Boanerges_:

Would you care to tell us why homosexuals ....you seem not to want to answer this

Hee hee. What ~again~? Answered already, several times, different threads. You just ignore my answers.

This will won't go away!..

Which is it... 'will" or 'won't'?

Now, watch ~me~ go away. I'm off to do battle with a raging snow storm. (Let's see if you can talk about something other than homosexuality...) How's the weather by you, ay Wendell?

-- posted by hawknut

Top 42. Jan 22, 2005 1:22 PM

» _Boanerges_ - Re: Re: Re: Arthur wrote...

In response to Re: Re: Arthur wrote... posted by hawknut:

Answered already, several times, different threads. You just ignore my answers.
if you say so... But, I really don't know your answers. If I did, I wouldn't keep asking you...

This will won't go away!.. Which is it... 'will" or 'won't'?
Good point!.. hehe.. "this will not..." See, you did cause me to laugh, even at myself...

Now, watch ~me~ go away. I'm off to do battle with a raging snow storm. How's the weather by you, ay Wendell
Winter... we finally, unfroze...

(Let's see if you can talk about something other than homosexuality...)
Like I said.. I didn't bring it up. If you can show me anywhere on the Suite where I have, then you will prove yourself correct. However, at this point in time, you simply are avoiding the obvious.. We are discussing what, Arthur, brought up smile .... But, I am not opposed to this... I think we need dialog on this issue. Maybe one day, you will tell us why we need to accept your morality. But, until that time, we will just go around in circles. As for me, you know my answer.. And this is it:

Dobson (and others) are correct... When (and they will) the homosexual militant agenda has imposed upon the will of the people, by wearing them down) (as you can see, I don't wear easily) then these other groups will demand their rights. If you think not so, then you my friend are as blind as they come...

Now, to reiterate.. I am a homosexual. Albeit, non practicing. So then, am I being intolerant and hateful against myself? This accusation makes no sense and is quite unproductive to claim such, for their cause. The militant homosexual agenda has stopped using the excuse of 'homophobe' 'preaching hate' and so forth.. Their claim is about, monetary civil rights. If you doubt that, then you have not educated yourself on the true issues. Your plea remains, emotional.. And in court, emotions do not win cases. You will have to present a convincing argument to show why your position is being 'oppressed'... It is about that simple. We can scream till we are blue (or red) in the face, but ultimately, it will come down to, what is the law.

So.. What is the law? What is a civil right? Who decides, morality? These three.. are the questions debated. Not our emotional stance of love our neighbors...

W...

-- posted by _Boanerges_