Jesus: A problem for the Christian Right
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» BrotherJones - Re: Re: Re: Re: WWII
In response to Re: Re: Re: WWII posted by ArthurCRuger:Hi Arthur,
I don't discount your right to protest this war or any war. Modern war is certainly highly questionable whether a Christian should get involved. However, you have created this concept that but for a bunch of misguided Christians and their misguided President, that America would not be in this war. And that is just pure nonsense. Most Americans are very uncomfortable with this war, and I believe the President is in anguish over it, himself. It doesn't really help in my view for you to throw up this smoke screen debate that we are over in Iraq because Americans think that God is out to punish the world. We are there to try and help a desperate situation. That is what I mean by a mainstream view.
-- posted by BrotherJones
» _Boanerges_ - Re: Re: Re: Re: WWJD
In response to Re: Re: Re: WWJD posted by ArthurCRuger:Tell me how you would fit a label of sexuality on to each of your five classifications.
Message #3: Mr. Dobson's Response?
You said (or quoted that is): Focus on the Family and other groups say the video - a remake of the Sister Sledge hit, We Are Family - is a vehicle for pro-gay propaganda.
Message #4
I asked this question (you did not answered it though)
Question #1: Would Jesus allow the 'preaching' of homosexuality as [moral and normal behavior] being taught to elementary school children? (or any public school) re; video of spongebob article from message #3
re: why did you mention this video story? (rhetorical, as I know why and do not need an explaination)
Actually, there are 3 questions. Moving forward, I quoted “We are Family” and their statement of:
We Are Family - Tolerance pledge
To help keep diversity a wellspring of strength and make America a better place for all, I pledge to have respect for people whose abilities, beliefs, culture, race, sexual identity or other characteristics are different from my own.
Identity is defined as: The collective aspect of the set of characteristics by which [a thing] (sexual is the subject) is definitively recognizable or known: The set of behavioral or personal characteristics by which an individual is recognizable as a member of a group (homosexual, for example).
I offered 5 classifications of sexual iedentities which are basically 'prevelent' in society and as well, not legalized. This is to say, that are denied what the Homosexuals (for example - a group identity based upon sexual indentity) declare as, a civil right, for them...
So.. repeating, 'We are Family' declared to make a video, promoting tolerence of 'sexual identity. Here are the 5; identities:
1) sex with animals (beastiality)
2) sex with groups (polygamy)
3) sex inanimate objects (canary, TV, computer, etc)
4) sex with childen (pedophilia)
5) sex with siblings, parents, etc (first generational [blood] family)
Question #2: (already asked - 3 times now)
Would it be considered 'intolerant, bigoted and hateful' to deny the above 5 classifications their 'sexual identity? (because they are denied this by the law of the land)
Question #3: Why [are they] den[ied] their rights [to practice their sexual identity; i.e., see the 5 listed.
Thanks Arthur..
...W
-- posted by _Boanerges_
» _Boanerges_ - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WWII
In response to Re: Re: Re: Re: WWII posted by BrotherJones:It doesn't really help in my view for you to throw up this smoke screen debate that we are over in Iraq because Americans think that God is out to punish the world.
Which, is a self described view only by the internationalized liberal left wing as to label and brand Chrsitians who voted against those who desire abortion, same sex marriage, etc.. They, created this label and description, as you have convincingly demonstrated...
No one is buying this nonsese (god and war) except those who want to unilaterally change the law at their will, denying freedom of law, justice and the constitution of the USA, as shown with the LA state legislature banning same sex marriage, as a single, low level judge over-stepped his jurisdiction and stated that [HIS] law would be allowed. However, the State of LA overwhelmingly spoke up on the 19th of Jan 2005 and stated the will of the vast majority of the people of LA. The law was firmly re-instated and is now admended to the State constitution. As it was prior to this unfortunate incident of Treason, by a single activist judge, who should be demanded to be removed of office, possibly even liable for criminal charges.
Same thing happened when the mayor of SF, Calif, issued 4,000 marriage licenses (illegally) in that State. The State Legislature denied those 4,000 marriage licenes as INVALID. Again, another single activist person dictating law. This mayor should be held with criminal charges as well.
W..
-- posted by _Boanerges_
» hawknut - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WWII
In response to Re: Re: Re: Re: WWII posted by BrotherJones:We are there to try and help a desperate situation.
You've swallowed the mainstream view hook, line, and sinker, Brother Jones.
Who created the desperate situation in Iraq? Take a historical look at who supported Sadam's regime and armed him - until he got too powerful and out of control. Think 'oil' and 'arms'.
How Did Iraq and the United States Become Enemies?
http://hnn.us/articles/1066.html
Arming Iraq and the Path to War, by John King
http://www.unobserver.com/index.php?pagi...
-- posted by hawknut
» hawknut - Re: Think about it!
In response to Think about it! posted by hawknut:Correct link for above article: "Political words of the season - Immorality, Mr Bush"
-- posted by hawknut
» _Boanerges_ - Re: Re: Think about it!
In response to Re: Think about it! posted by hawknut:Your preacher sounds like a bleeding liberal to me, twisting the Gospel to say that God accepts non-repentant gay people. You know... it is liberal churches like this one who preach such deluded nonsense that we simply have to reject them as heritics, as they lie to their beloved homosexual congregation, not warning them to change and abandon this lifestlye.
Now.. .that is immoral!
The preacher is responsible for givng out the Gospel message of morality... They claim 'hatred bigotry' and bla bla bla bla... But, is that the truth? Of course not.... Hate the sin, love the sinner...
They claim because we true Christians deny them their want of a civil right, to be recognized as ordained of God, to become married as that of one man and one women, is absurd and immoral. To lie to these people and corrupt their minds is immoral. Not telling them that they must take repsonsibilty for their sin is immoral. To lie to them that God will accept them, as they are, is immoral.
I accept homosexuals, and I am one... Yet, I am a non-practicing one who has repented of this blatant, sinful, immoral behavoir. Of course God loves gay people... But, He DEMANDS that they repent of their sinful behavior and follow that which God has declared. Any other message is immoral and worthless. They will die in their sin and this must be made known..
Here is the statement:
We know that across the land, in every church, large and small, and in every denomincation, people of good will are struggling with the gospel's revolutionary inclusiveness as it relates to gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people. We recognize that gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people can be just as loving, just as faithful, just as disciplined, just as holy as all other people can be, and that they equally share with all other human beings the worth that comes from being unique individuals. We seek to encourage all people and churches to welcome lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered people into their full measure and allow them to take their place at the table.
Our Covenant of Openness and Affirmation
http://www.mayflowerucc.org/who/covenant...
Yoo know, where is this mans direction at declaring to them their certain destruction for lying to them that they will receive the kingdom of heaven because they do not know that they willfully and willingly mock God and his word.
Repent of your sin of homosexuality... God DOES NOT tolerate such behavior and He will not be mocked. Seek the will of God and not that of your sexual desires, based upon only lust. A homosexual bases his identity on that of his sexual preference and not that of his true being. This is the truth that God wants all homosexuals to know. Flee from your sinful desires and seek God's will.
Love the sinner... Hate the sin... and teach it loudly... God will in no wise accept an unrepentant homsexual, as ordainded by his word and hand. Indeed, this is the highest of immorality and teaches death...
-- posted by _Boanerges_
» hawknut - Re: Re: Re: Think about it!
In response to Re: Re: Think about it! posted by _Boanerges_:The good Doctor raises other immorality issues. Did you even bother to read the article? Have you no other remarks except to rant against homosexuality?
I accept homosexuals, and I am one...
I accept homosexuals, and I'm not one. Your point is?...
Yet, I am a non-practicing one who has repented of this blatant, sinful, immoral behavoir.
Bully for you.
-- posted by hawknut
» _Boanerges_ - Re: Re: Re: Re: Think about it!
In response to Re: Re: Re: Think about it! posted by hawknut:The good Doctor raises other immorality issues. Did you even bother to read the article? Have you no other remarks except to rant against homosexuality?
Yes. I did read the article.. To me, he is a bleeding heart liberal, who labels and brands people according to [his] morality.. Which, in my opinion, is corrupt...
Does he have some [right/correct] views concerning politics? Yes, probably so.. But, ministers are not politicians... Yet, I understand his compelling argument and agree to it to some extent. However, he [is] what he [protests]... Which; makes him a hypocrite..
Question: Does God accept homosexuality as a moral behavior, in which He ordains.. You have NEVER answered this question. Would you be willing to, today?
-- posted by _Boanerges_
» _Boanerges_ - Your point is?...
In response to Re: Re: Re: Think about it! posted by hawknut:re: Our Covenant of Openness and Affirmation (the Church statement, from your link)
"We know that across the land, in every church, large and small, and in every denomincation, people of good will are struggling with the gospel's revolutionary inclusiveness as it relates to gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people. We recognize that gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people can be just as loving, just as faithful, just as disciplined, just as holy as all other people can be, and that they equally share with all other human beings the worth that comes from being unique individuals. We seek to encourage all people and churches to welcome lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered people into their full measure and allow them to take their place at the table.
Hawknut I accept homosexuals, and I'm not one. Your point is?...
Homosexual Advocacy in the Church
Perspective from a Fifth-Generation Episcopalian
http://federalistpatriot.us/papers/03-32...
Given this insight into the pathology of gender disorientation, to abandon homosexuals in their mental illness (and sin) under the aegis of "love, compassion and inclusion" is tantamount to abandoning a destitute homeless soul in a gutter under the aegis their condition is "righteous in God's eyes."
As for unrepentant homosexuals (those who have been offered love and healing) and their standing among Christ's people, 1 Corinthians 5:11 confirms: "But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral.... With such a man do not even eat." As noted, this does not mean we are not to reach out to sinners and seek to foster repentance and healing in them. But it does mean we do not raise them up in their sin as in good standing in our fellowship.
Though the legal status of "homosexual behavior" and "same-sex marriage" is being debated within the context of the government legislatures and courts, the objective truth concerning such behavior has long been revealed through Scripture. Therefore, no institutional body of Christians should seek to normalize homosexuality or any other sexual aberration. By its nature such action projects such aberrations are acceptable in God's eyes and nature, and somehow comply with Scripture and the canons of the Church. This projection is not only iconoclastic but deceitful in that it suggests overt sinful behavior is to be upheld and honored.(4)
(4) Our great nation's first president, a devout Anglican, George Washington, advised: "The blessed Religion revealed in the word of God will remain an eternal and awful monument to prove that the best Institution may be abused by human depravity; and that they may even, in some instances be made subservient to the vilest purposes."
-- posted by _Boanerges_
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