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  4. tigerburning
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Top 35.   Sep 20, 2001 1:50 PM

» biogardener - To the last two people who posted

Both of the last two postings underline why I feel sorry for people who are born in the daytime. If you could manage to find jobs which allow to go to sleep at your birth hour, your problems would soon be solved. Try it out if you ever have a long holiday where you can do as you please. The medical profession may be good at putting labels on disorders, but they don't have a solution, because they disregard the cause of the problem. When you correct the cause, the label will no longer apply.

I understand about not being able to wake up. My younger brother who was born 7 a.m. is impossible to wake up. We have even pulled him out of bed and thrown a bucket of water on him to no avail. When I go to sleep at my 8 p.m. birth hour, my husband has tried many times to wake me up later for a good program on TV. Forget it. I talk to him, and what I say even makes sense, but I don't have any recollection of the conversation later. When he does mangage to wake me, I am asleep again in a couple of minutes anyway. At 3:30 a.m., though, I am wide awake and do my best work before anyone else in the house gets up.

-- posted by biogardener



Top 36.   May 21, 2002 10:32 PM

» mishalunchbox - Great discussion! I joined up just so i could participate :)

I think i might have another unusual situation (in addition to cesarean babies): my mother was induced into labor, so *she* (and her OBGYN) picked the date and time of my birth, not i!

I was born at 10:42 am. For the past 2 years i have been waking up pretty reliably at the stroke of 10:30 am, regardless of what time i dozed off (i think this is because one day a week, i need to get up "early" at 10:30 for a class). For the 6 or 7 years preceding, my wake-up time was consistently 2 pm. And no matter what time i get up, i tend to avoid human contact (if possible) until around 4 pm, which is when i start to feel like i'm ready to start the day. Go figure!!!

Even when i was working full time AND working on my MFA (which is like full time and-a-half by itself), my mother thought i was horribly lazy because i slept until 2 pm. It didn't matter that i had gone to bed at 7 or 8 am; the *amount* of sleep (and the amount of work) is irrelevant; if you are sleeping while i'm awake, YOU ARE LAZY.

I run into this prejudice all the time and it drives me nuts; i get people giving me very snotty attitude because i don't do things 9-to-5. I like to remind them what the world would be like if they got their wish and EVERYONE did things between 9 am and 5 pm... Nightclubs, bars, movie theaters, stores, and the Post Office would only be open while you're at work. If you set your house on fire while you were cooking dinner, or if you had a heart attack in your sleep, there would be no firemen or paramedics available until the next day! ...and so on.

About the sunlight thing someone mentioned -- i'm sensitive to sunlight but i don't really think it relates to my sleeping patterns? As far as i know, people with light-colored eyes tend to have trouble seeing in bright light; and when exposed to direct sun for more than 20 minutes or so, i break out in a rash, but i understand this is a side effect of my prescription drugs. Even though i can't be in the sun, i love it, and in fact chose my current apartment partially because of its huge, unobstructed, west-facing windows.

To the overachieving young person with the multiple jobs in addition to school -- sounds like your problem has nothing to do with your sleep patterns, but rather to the fact that you are way overcommitted!!! How can you even know when your preferred time to sleep is, if you never get to choose what time you go to sleep or wake up? The only advice i have for you is find somebody rich to support you so you can relax and enjoy your teenage years smile

-- posted by mishalunchbox



Top 37.   May 22, 2002 2:02 AM

» biogardener - Re: Great discussion! I joined up just so i could participate :

In response to message posted by mishalunchbox:

You don't say what time you actually entered the world. Regardless of whether your mother's labor was induced or not, if you went through the process of labor, you would still have been born tired, and that is when your sleep clock got set. I hope that you can remember what time that was.

-- posted by biogardener



Top 38.   May 22, 2002 3:31 AM

» tigerburning - Sleeping by Birthtime

I was born at 4:27 am. I awake at dawn and want to sleep two hours past sunset. Needless to say, that means waking around 10am in the Winter and 4am in the Summer. Then going to bed around 7pm in the Winter and 11pm in the Summer. (By the way, I was born in the Winter.) If I stay up past 12pm, I'm up for the rest of the night. If I need to work early morning, I simply tell my internal clock, "Get me up by 2am." When taking long trips, I like driving 2am to 10am. I spent 10 years working full time and going to school full time. I would study or catnap whenever I could and sleep in only two hour stretches. All so I could work computers, bartend, watch the stars, and write while undisturbed. However, unless I have somthing to do, I still rise at dawn and fall asleep two hours after sunrise.

Suntimed not Birthtimed - the Tiger

-- posted by tigerburning



Top 39.   May 22, 2002 2:26 PM

» mishalunchbox - Re: Re: Great discussion! I joined up just so i could participa

In response to message posted by biogardener:

> You don't say what time you actually entered
> the world

Oh, but i did! smile

> > I was born at 10:42 am.
(first sentence, second paragraph)

birth time: 10:42 am
current sleepy time: around 4 am
current wakey time: 10:30 am (12 minutes before i'm supposed to be sleepy?)

-- posted by mishalunchbox



Top 40.   May 22, 2002 3:12 PM

» biogardener - sorry

Sorry, I missed that. I should not be reading these posting when I am tired.

-- posted by biogardener



Top 41.   May 22, 2002 4:04 PM

» Sue59 - wont work.

In response to message posted by biogardener:

Hi I think it might be cause I live on the other side, things like that are all upside down. for me and my family.
My daughter was A c-section and has been the most placid easy to sleep baby ever and still sleeps well. My other daughter and son were born - normal labour wise at 3am and 4am respectively yet my daughter is a asleep by 7.30 and more awake early, My son is a later sleeper . but also awake early.
The fact that they are teens seems to have had no difference really.
So afraid I am a little dubious of this theory.


So sorry

-- posted by Sue59



Top 42.   May 22, 2002 4:29 PM

» mishalunchbox - Re: sorry

In response to message posted by biogardener:

No need to be sorry! With all those reams of rambling i posted it's easy to miss details... I'm the one who should be sorry for taking up so much space! smile

-- posted by mishalunchbox



Top 43.   May 22, 2002 5:53 PM

» biogardener - Don't worry about the space.

Don't worry about taking up space. It is great that people are able to discuss life here. That is the purpose of this site.

I don't believe in theories, only in observing and recording life, and that means that I am always open to listen and learn.

About moving from one side of the world to the other. I have found that after moving west, my body adjusts to the time change in a few hours. Moving east, however, the adjustment takes me days. I have never visited the southern hemisphere nor have I talked about time adjustment with anyone who has, so I have no idea what effect that move would have on sleep habits.

Actually, I don't find the seasonal differences too noticeable except for the normal depressive effect of the lack of daylight in winter which can rob people of energy and makes them sleep more.

-- posted by biogardener



Top 44.   May 23, 2002 3:13 PM

» Sue59 - both hemisphere

In response to message posted by biogardener:

Hi as someone who has lived in both hemisphere, I found after the initial getting use to different times, the normal sleep patterns come back.
The biggest problem I had was adjusting to north being South, in the scene of warm and cold. Is quite weird.

-- posted by Sue59



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