Bach's Coffee Cantata
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» H2O - Re: Another site
In response to Another site posted by biogardener:Traute:
It certainly is a testament to the bias against coffee in German society. So, how did Lutherans, many with a strong German background, become such notorious coffee drinkers? I guess it's preferable to have a coffee pot for after service fellowship than a quarter barrel, eh?
john
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» H2O - Re: Re2: Farther out!
In response to Re2: Farther out! posted by Dan_Ellsworth:Dan, I know you're "retired" but hopefully you still meander here now and then. Miller Brewing must have read your post because they recently started airing an ad about a guy who does his own plumbing: "Hot. Cold. Miller High Life." Clever ad.
john
-- posted by H2O
» Dan_Ellsworth - Re: Re: Re2: Farther out!
In response to Re: Re2: Farther out! posted by H2O:Hooah! Thanks for the heads-up (as it were) on that. If you don't mind, I think I will *not* jump up and down for attention as the (possible) originator of the concept. I can just see it at church: "That's Dan Ellsworth, the guy who invented the beer faucet." "Oh, dear, and he seemed almost *normal*!" "Don't be fooled." OK, a bit of low profile is in order, and possibly some countermeasures.
I don't know how many denominations are liturgical enough for this, but can there be some specially-blessed plumbing so that, at greatest convenience, holy water may be dispensed?
Ah, yes, that perennial temptation, to have the very power of God so controlled that we can just turn it on with a faucet!
Miller has long had clever ads, but they come and go. I'll keep a low profile and ride this one out.
-- posted by Dan_Ellsworth
» biogardener - The eternal coffee pot
The eternal coffee pot is a North American invention. You won't find it in Germany, especially not in the Lutheran church. Lutherans in Germany are not that friendly. They don't socialize after church. Never mind, they don't even bother going to church.-- posted by biogardener
» H2O - Re: Re: Re: Re2: Farther out!
In response to Re: Re: Re2: Farther out! posted by Dan_Ellsworth:Plumbing for Holy Water? When I worked in the kitchen of a Catholic convent (to pay my Lutheran seminary education tuition--wrap your mind around THAT one), I learned how to make holy water.
You boil the H3LL out of it! 
My pastor used to teach grade school at a Lutheran grade school. As part of religious training he would tell them he would show the students the "special faucet" where the baptismal water came out. He then took them into the sacristy and the students would be disappointed that it was merely a normal, ordinary, everyday faucet dispensing tap water. As Luther says, "simple water..."
As for a coffee faucet, the closest I've seen is the hot water dispenser at St. John's in Burlington, Wisconsin, where I vicared. The pastor and secretary pooled their resources to but this gizmo that ran off the water supply but would keep the water hot. Kind of like a Bunn coffee maker. But it only dispensed hot water, so you had to have instant coffee or powdered cocoa. Not that that was a problem; Burlingtom is home to a Nestle chocolate factory (Hence it's called "Chocolate City USA" and has a ChocolateFest every May) and several members of the church worked there and donated packets of Nescafe and hot cocoa that failed the "weight test" (there was a huge barrel of these packets there).
john
-- posted by H2O
» H2O - Re: The eternal coffee pot
In response to The eternal coffee pot posted by biogardener:I have also found that the farther west you go (in the United States, anyway) the coffee gets stronger, cheaper, and more plentiful. I'd like to know why. One would think the reverse would be true, given that the old settlers (pioneers) couldn't really afford a lot of extras. Or was coffee seen as a staple and took the place of other beverages?
Traute, I think we need to pray that the Spirit moves people's hearts in Germany that a) sound doctrine is preached and taught and b) the people feel priveledged to be fed with the Word of God and comforted with the Gospel balm.
john
-- posted by H2O
» Dan_Ellsworth - Re: Re: The eternal coffee pot
In response to Re: The eternal coffee pot posted by H2O:John, your messages have both fun and evangelistic concern. That's what I like to see! And Traute, keep popping up here, won't you? You do the place good.
-- posted by Dan_Ellsworth
» jerrib - Re: Re: The eternal coffee pot
In response to Re: The eternal coffee pot posted by H2O:John - I don't know what you mean by "west," but here in WA espresso is a mainstay for lots of Washingtonians (lattes, mochas, cappuccino's, etc.) - you may even find espresso stands in the commercial farmer's fields in eastern Washington. The coffee in these stands is more expensive than coffee in a restaurant, but coffee in a restaurant is not cheap, either. I think espresso prices and coffee houses (Starbuck's, etc.) have pushed up the prices. We do like our coffee "big time" in this state. Folks usually automatically get asked if they want coffee in a restaurant when they are seated - lots of restaurants put mugs on the table so they are ready to pour.
I was entertained with the coffee cantata - how fun and what a bit of humor this guy had. Such a delightful article to brighten up my morning!
-- posted by jerrib
» H2O - Re: Re: Re: The eternal coffee pot
In response to Re: Re: The eternal coffee pot posted by jerrib:I got as far west as Montana (pastoral summer intern in 1988). Coffee was commonly 5 cents or a dime a cup. Many gas stations offered free coffee with gas purchase; the Town Pump in Kalispel offered free coffee--no purchase necessary! I recall stopping at one gas station, a large coffee is a dime, and there is a full sheet apology of the station's need to raise the price of coffee from a nickle to a dime! That may be where I got the misconception that coffee is cheap out west.
I also noticed that west of the Continental Divide the largest cities in a state tended NOT to be in the east but in the west. Migration patterns, I'm thinking.
john
-- posted by H2O
» biogardener - Free Coffee
In Winnipeg, one of the IGA stores (Independent Grocers Association) used to have a free coffee pot going all the time until about a year ago when Sobee, the wholesale supplier, bought out all the big IGA stores. The rich company cannot afford the free cup of coffee which the poor little proprietor of the IGA could afford. They immediately raised all the prices, probably in order to buy the ugly new army-type uniforms for their employees.I am lucky. Our neighborhood IGA store was too small for Sobee to want to take over, and there is not chance for expansion on that site, so I am still able to shop at a friendly neighborhood store.
Not getting free coffee makes no difference to me. I haven't had a single sip of coffee in 40 years, and I don't intend ever to have another one. If you want to know why, you can find out from this article.
It isn't only the Lutheran churches in Germany which are unfriendly now. The Pentecostals and Baptists are no different. The only church in Germany where I get a warm welcome is the one which I attended as a teenager, i.e. where people know me. Get those people immigrating to Canada or the USA, and they become instantly friendly. Why? Here they are strangers in a land where some of them struggle with the language and where they have no friends or family. It makes them stick together, supporting each other the same way they did under Hitler when all protestant Christians were persecuted by the state.
Like I keep saying, there is nothing like a good dose of persecution to get Christians to love one another.
-- posted by biogardener
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