Fox Talk Show Guest Misrepresents Islam

Top 18. Apr 5, 2002 11:51 AM

» Babatunde75 - Re: Non-Muslims as friends

In response to message posted by Anayat_Durrani:

May I say this about friends, I look at the word
friend as someone who is very much like me in that
I can put all my trust and faith in them as a brother or sister, they are very close to my heart. Understanding that no one can be greater in that position than Allah.
Then I have associates, these are people whom I
can love and respect them very dearly. An these
(associates) come in different degress, meaning
they are where they put themselves in our
relationship in how we relate to each other. I will never call someome a friend who I work with
and thats all we do, but we respect each other.
I would never do harm to anyone who does no harm
to me. So I have few friends but many associates,
and these associates I love and wish the best for
them, and I'm sure if someone saw me with one
of those 'good' associate they would think we are
the best of friends.
Like the Larry King show you mentioned in them
bringing up that verse of the Quran by saying that
it infers a difference, yes it does, because I
will not let any and everyone within that side of me that is for those who I feel have earn that position in my life and I have earn that position
with them. The verse I mentioned about Jesus saying "Giving your life for a friend" I'm not just
going to give my life for anyone, but a friend
with no hasitation and I feel if they feel the
same they would do the same for me.
But as Quran says "We seek to harm no one" and
we are to show kindness to everyone who show
kindness to us. We are never to be the aggressor,
but we have the right to defend ourselves against
those who seek to do harm to us. For we must not
put down our guard because of a smile or someone saying I love you. But this is Babatunde speaking
and not the views of all Muslims, before someone say all Muslims believe like me. And in my closing
let me say We All have to answer to Allah or
whoever they believe to be their god.

-- posted by Babatunde75

Top 19. Apr 5, 2002 9:34 PM

» suite10100 - Re: Non-Muslims as friends

In response to message posted by Anayat_Durrani:

I appreciate your explanation,and I remember that event. Actually, on the whole Jews and Christians have a very special status in Qur'an and we see very frequently that Allah refers to them as " O People of the Book". Therefore, we have to treat them with respect. However, we don't have to take any dictates from them that are different from Qur'anic principles or Islamic principles. We have to be steadfast in our faith. And at many places Qur'an warns us so that we are not misguided by those who would want us to do what they like, and would like to see us away from the righteous track.

-- posted by suite10100

Top 20. Mar 30, 2003 7:01 PM

» ginny68 - Re: We are not Christians

In response to message posted by Babatunde75:

You do not seem like you know much at all about Christianity. First of all Christ said that if someone were to strike you, turn your cheek and let him strike the other. He was peaceful and tolerant. It was not his position to judge only that of God himself. Laying down your life for your brother. I think you mean to sacrifice. Sacrificing and killing other people in a suicidal/homicide effort is murder and that is a grave sin. All are children of God. It is a fact that we are all descendants of one woman. That has been genetically proven by science. I do not know much about the Torah but I know that you are way off in your representation of christianity. Jesus said of all the commandments the most important is to love your brother. For you will be judged by what is in your heart represented by deeds. In this he meant to love all of your brothers, not just your christian brothers. I feel very sad because many Islamic people seem to be full of hate. All religions have followers who do not interpret the teachings of God as he meant. They twist the scripture into hate driven intolerance and Evil is spread. I believe we worship the same God but I see my God as a merciful loving God. My God does not care what I wear nor does he want me to only associate with one type of people. He certainly does not want me to kill anyone for my own personal gain or because I am not tolerant of his beliefs. My God wants me to love. That is what he wants from me. If my heart is pure and I reach out to those in need, my God is happy and he is forgiving if I am truly sorry. If the quran teaches you to discriminate and wage war against others than I truly do not see how you could ever exist in peace with anyone other than Muslims. You are teaching intolerance and hate is that what Allah wants? How can you say an entire country is evil? What about the doctor who went to Russia and helped raise a good deal of money to purchase medical equipment and brought in staff. He trained physicians there and helped save hundreds of childrens lives. Is he evil? What about the founder of feed the children who raises money from businesses and people throughout America and feeds poor hungry children not only in this country but abroad. He is christian, so he is evil? I saw a story about a pregnant woman in Pakistan whose husband said she looked seductively at another man. He cut her eyes out, her ears off her nose off and hung her by her feet to bleed to death. He was a Muslim. Does that make him a good guy? Your religion does not make you good or bad, it is what is in your heart. Allah or should I say God knows that, I don't think you've figured that out yet. I read some of your teachings and I find them to teach intolerance and aggression. Although there are people who claim to believe in christ who are aggressive, most who attend church will tell you that love and compassion are the teachings of the Bible and those who are serious christians follow those teachings and live by them. Our Bible does not tell us not to take Muslims as friends, that would be breaking a commandment. We are taught to love all. It takes a stonger person to love than to hate. God knows that and that is why he challenges us to love above all. Love will prevail over hate every time. Seek the truth and the light. You are promoting hate in your last statement. I'd like you to read the following and maybe enlighten me because I really do not want to believe that you are taught only to love those who are Muslim.

The following are not my writings:

Now let us get on with our subject: DOES ISLAM PROMOTE PEACE? If so, what kind of peace? Recently, a Muslim young man gave me a pamphlet entitled "Islam Explained" (by the Islamic Circle of North America). It states that Islam "instructs people on how they may live together in peace and harmony regardless of race, class or beliefs." While I would agree that most Muslims are in favor of "peace and harmony regardless of race, class or beliefs", the question we want to answer is: Are Muslims for peace because of Islam or in spite of Islam? Does Islam itself promote peace and tolerance? Consider the following data ...

1. WHAT THE QUR’AN SAYS. The familiar term jihad, often translated holy war, literally means struggle. Many Muslims emphasize that jihad is about struggling against evil desires and, if necessary, defending one’s homeland and religious heritage. "Fight for the sake of God those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. God does not love the aggressors. Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is more grievous than bloodshed.... Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God’s religion reigns supreme." (Qur’an 2:190-192) [Note: Qur’anic quotes from N.J.Dawood’s English translation (The Koran, Penguin Books, UK, 1993)]. A favorite verse of moderate Muslims is 2:256 which says: "Let there be no compulsion in religion. True guidance is now distinct from error." Militant Muslims, however, will point you to numerous Qur’anic texts where Muhammad (as Allah’s spokesman) commands his followers to fight and subdue all who resist Islam. What leads young men to volunteer to die for the privilege of killing others "for the cause of Allah"? Could it have something to do with the fact that Islam offers no certain hope of heaven to any of its adherents, with one exception? Consider these few Qur’anic verses...

"As for those who are slain in the cause of God, He will not allow their works to perish. ... He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them." (47:8)

"Let those who would exchange the life of this world for the hereafter, fight for the cause of God; whether he dies or triumphs, We shall richly reward him. ... The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan ..." (4:74,76)

"The believers who stay at home––apart from those that suffer a grave impediment––are not the equals of those who fight for the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God has given those that fight with their goods and their persons a higher rank than those who stay at home ..." (4:95,96)

"Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. ... lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way ..." (9:5)

"Those that make war against God and His apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the land. They shall be held up to shame in this world and sternly punished in the hereafter: except those that repent before you reduce them ..." (5:34,35)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme" (8:39)

"Prophet, rouse the faithful to arms. If there are twenty steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish two hundred; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding." (8:65)

"Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given ... and do not embrace the true Faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (9:29)
The Qur’an contains scores of similar verses.

Most Muslim Scholars see the world divided into two "houses"—the House of Peace (Dar Al-Salaam) and the House of War (Dar Al-Harb). The general idea is that Muslims belong to the House of Peace, while those who have not yet submitted to Islam belong to the House of War until they are "utterly subdued." However, even this distinction is often blurred since militant Muslims (who take the above verses at face value) also include moderate Muslims in the House of War.

...Me again, Geez your religion really promotes fighting and intolerance of others. My religion teaches love above all, that is how you get into paradise. Also people have to find their way to God on their own. That is the individuals journey. Although you are to spread the word of God you are not supposed to hate or descriminate them because of their beliefs. America was founded on Christian ideology and now that I'm learing more about Islam, I'm glad because we are taught to respect and tolerate one another. God will prevail. The person who loves the most is looked upon favorably. Perhaps we do have two different Gods after all. It doesn't matter to me, I love you even if you don't want to be my friend and I will pray that we,Muslims, Christians and Jews may live in Peace together.

-- posted by ginny68

Top 21. Mar 30, 2003 7:29 PM

» ginny68 - Re: Oh, No you DIDN'T

In response to message posted by thanaa:

What does this post mean

So for any Muslim who
thinks Islam must be more like the freedom you see
here in america then he or she should read the
verse in the Quran which says "Take not the jew and christians for friends for they are friends
of each other, and he that do take them as friends
is one of them".

and here is your 2nd point: 2)Religious people are not to judge others.

Well if you can not take Christians or Jews as friends you are judging them based on their religion without even giving them a chance.

Am I missing something here? As far as the KKK who I believe is the Aryan Brotherhood, they are a very small segment of the Christian religion. I can almost guarantee it is a drop in the bucket in comparison to Muslims who are intolerant of other religions.

I did not post the first part of my response that was posted by a Muslim person I believe. So he is encouraging other Muslims not to befriend Christians or Jews. Well actually that is taken directly out of the Quran. That's pretty scary. I think that's also what Hitler did. Except it was Jews, Catholics and Blacks. it doesn't make a difference who does it as long as we can all aknowledge that it is wrong. What is scary is that I have been to a few Islamic sites who are promoting this intolerance and if these are actual teachings then I hate to say it but you are the KKK. My religion teaches me to love everyone know matter what religion they are. To love is the greatest commandment above all. God looks to your heart. You are judged by what is in your heart. If you have hate in your heart you have not been listening to the word of God, you are listening to someone else.

I am not saying that all religions are guilty of misinterpreting scriptures. However I don't believe any of the scriptures I've ever read told me not to befriend those of another religion. It tells you not to get caught up in this world, the material world but to focus on the spiritual. But it doesn't single out a group of people for me to discriminate against. The KKK made that interpretation very loosley, mostly in their own minds because there is no actual quote that instructs them to behave like that. That is why most Christians do not follow their (the KKKs) beliefs. There is no scripture that directly supports it unlike the Quran. This is really a shock to me because I'm wondering how is that scripture supposed to be interpreted other than the literal sense? If you believe that I am wrong please tell me where the bible encourages people to descriminate against other religions. I am opened to being enlightened. Peace and love above all.

-- posted by ginny68

Top 22. Mar 30, 2003 7:34 PM

» ginny68 - Re: Re: Non-Muslims as friends

In response to message posted by Babatunde75:

Thank you for posting a follow up to your first response. It helped me to understand that you did not mean friends but overlords. I totally agree with that. I am christian. I hope that we all can find a way to exist together in peace. There are good Christians and there are bad Christians and the same is true for every religion. In the end we have to be accountable for our selfs and the goodness in our hearts. Peace

-- posted by ginny68

Top 23. Apr 24, 2003 11:25 PM

» ASIFMALIK - Re: Non-Muslims as friends

In response to message posted by Anayat_Durrani:

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Top 24. Dec 4, 2003 10:46 PM

» yahyaa - The myth of christian peace

I just love the high and mighty attitude from the people that brought you the world war ,the houlacost, and the atomic bomb.(along with all other forms of W.M.D)The people that say turn the other cheek so that we can kill you.Let us look at what the bible say's about apostasy.

"as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

-- posted by yahyaa

Top 25. Dec 4, 2003 10:50 PM

» yahyaa - sorry forgot the scripture

that is duet 13 v6-11

-- posted by yahyaa

Top 26. Dec 4, 2003 11:05 PM

» yahyaa - women in the bible

From the guy's that brought you smoteing

gotta love how they treat their women folk.
1 cor v3-4 (3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man;
.gen 3 v15-17 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. 16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

-- posted by yahyaa