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» litab16 - Re: What's Your Complaint, Lita?
In response to message posted by DellaO:Lita, I'm confused--are you complaining that the "child tax credit" is not big enough?
And/or, are you complaining that "low-income working families that pay little or no taxes didn't receive enough of a welfare-like transfer of other people's hard-earned tax money?
That post was meant simply to indicate your posting of the numbers was outdated and did not reflect what was actually passed by Congress. Your chart showed a 17% reduction for the lowest level wage earners. By leaving this group out of the child care tax rebate, their benefit from the tax cut was zero. A tax credit for these folks reduces their 7.5% FICA taxes, it does not come out of the pockets of other working people.
Just to put this perspective. Most of these families are living on minimum wage incomes of $5.15 per hour (or near that level), which translates to $10,442.40 per year. Even with two wage earners it means a total income of under $21,000 per year. They are not living on welfare, but helping these families stay off of welfare by giving them a bit of assistance is a lot better than putting them back to the welfare train.
-- posted by litab16
» litab16 - Re: Kirk cute story but it assumes we all start life with an equ
In response to message posted by SteveT:Kirk cute story but it assumes we all start life with an equal stake. People with ambition and willingness to work harder or smarter should be rewarded proportionately or our Nation will dwindle and become second rate. I feel the government should level the playing field and tax everyone the same on the first Dollar they make as the last Dollar they make. .
Steve,
This would work if everyone started out on even footing. That's not true for most of the wealthy today. Many of them were born into that wealth, were educated in the best schools that money could buy, and were able to use their connections to get into Ivy League schools, even if they may not have had the top grades.
Few people who come from families that can't afford to pay for private schools and put their children on the path to get into the best colleges are able to break out of that track. Yes, some do excel and get a full scholarship, but my point is that we don't all start in the same place or at the same socioeconomic level.
Sure they may put their spin on it and be overly dramatic from time to time. I have gone through times in my life when I have paid little in the way of income tax. Now I try to work within the system we have to pay as little as I can and still be legal. I must say I don’t mind paying my fair share. My life is certainly better than it was when taxes were not something I thought about more than a few minutes a year. I wouldn’t want to switch places with a guy married with 4 kids making $15,000 a year.
Everyone should take every opportunity they can to minimize their tax hit. I certainly advocate that in my book the Complete Idiot's Guide to Tax Breaks and Deductions. There are a lot of tax breaks working people at all levels of society can use to minimize taxes.
-- posted by litab16
» La_la - Re: Meet the New Sheriff, Same as the Old Sheriff
In response to message posted by RussHicks:Give a try to communicating here without sifting through a world of articles written by people who support your way of "thinking." I almost never read articles that people leave here..this time I'll read a bit.
The Reagan administration introduced new philosophies, tentative and little understood at first,
Nothing was new..it's called capitalism..free enterprise.
to justify policies of redistributing tax burdens, exalting markets, overrewarding the rich
Policies of redistributing tax burdens? That's the other team..this writer is an idiot.
As these trends intensified, to the great benefit of the financial markets, so did economic polarization
Once again..wrong team..Democrats make a career out of class warfare.
This is a most nonsensicle article. I just went through the first few lines. I've read enough.
-- posted by La_la
» La_la - Re: Meet the New Sheriff, Same as the Old Sheriff
In response to message posted by RussHicks:..and to show how charitable contributions were on the low side, you conveniently left an article that did a study of the period during and just after the recession of the early 1990s...the article follows your "Show me the money" comment.
You and Lita make a great pair..Bill Clinton would be proud.
-- posted by La_la
» DellaO - Re: Meet the New Sheriff, Same as the Old Sheriff
In response to message posted by RussHicks:.
RussHicks,
So you don't believe that private charity could provide for the needy and you want to "see the money."
Well, guess what, based on the monstrous cradle-to-grave "entitlement" mentality that was created in this country over the past 60-70 years, I agree. Given a choice, people would not be WILLING or able to provide for the irresponsible lifestyles of many who subsist on the public dole.
I was stating an ideal situation, where families look out for family members that need a helping hand; where churches helped families that were in temporary need; where charity organizations provided "safety nets" for those who had no family or church.
-- posted by DellaO
» La_la - Re: Re: Meet the New Sheriff, Same as the Old Sheriff
In response to message posted by DellaO:where families look out for family members that need a helping hand; where churches helped families that were in temporary need; where charity organizations provided "safety nets" for those who had no family or church
Yes, and liberals are so used to saying.."that's the governments job." They're the toughest ones to get to loosen their wallets.
-- posted by La_la
» Fred2000 - Re: Meet the New Sheriff, Same as the Old Sheriff
In response to message posted by La_la:"Yes, and liberals are so used to saying.."that's the governments job." They're the toughest ones to get to loosen their wallets."
La_la... The drive to surrender to private charity much of government's role in programs to help the poor is not the product of some great wave of sentiment among the general public. The average person neither knows nor greatly cares about safety-net programs of government and private agencies. Few are even aware of the sources of support for the social services provided in their communities, and most probably have no opinion on whether government or private charity is inherently best at providing assistance to the poor. The public at large has not discerned a necessity for private charity to displace government welfare programs. The advocacy for that shift emanates solely from the right, acting on the basis of ideology.
The stern measures advocated by the conservatives remind many people of the failed policies of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries that led to creation of post-Great Depression entitlement programs and the emergence of the modern welfare structure. The proposals are also reminiscent of the early Reagan administration agenda, reviving ideas that were thought to have been put to rest during the 1980s. Being trickled down on was not the answer.
-- posted by Fred2000
» La_la - Re: Re: Meet the New Sheriff, Same as the Old Sheriff
In response to message posted by Fred2000:The public at large has not discerned a necessity for private charity to displace government welfare programs.
You have it backwards. Private charity goes back centuries..it's the government welfare programs that have done the replacing.
The stern measures advocated by the conservatives remind many people of the failed policies of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries that led to creation of post-Great Depression entitlement programs and the emergence of the modern welfare structure.
..just can't think in terms of anything but government programs, can you.
No ones advocating anything new..just believing in the goodness of people, and recognizing the folly of government largesse.
-- posted by La_la
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