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Top 1553. Jun 3, 2002 1:03 PM

» Will_L - Re: CTR 2000

In response to message posted by JIMMY62:

Thanks Jimmy for the quotes. It seems obvious that the guy will bend the parameters of any call to try to make his "wishes come true".

For folks like Dija or other's who think there is some honest approach and some scientific basis to any of these goof ball predictions that Brinker makes, there is no hope.

Brinker's timing is cloaked in enough Bs that the rubes of the world are fooled. He hypes a very definitive call that he "will make" in the future. He is quite precise in how it will work etc. He makes it sound like it's an alternative to other prudent investment styles.

When the time comes he sometimes makes a call and sometimes does not. He simply drops the marketing ploy and goes on to a new one. That is what happened to "moabo".

If he does make a call, sometimes it is unrecognizable from the one he had hyped. It is "fuzzy" and made to straddle a lot of different possiblities besides the one he hyped.

Recall his hype for six months prior to his "tactical asset allocation call". Always he said his model was always either bearish or bullish? He said that if it ever turned negative (bearish) he would go 100% out of stocks. He preached that. He made fun of people who suggested keeping stocks with tax complications.

Yet when he made a call, it was one of those fuzzy ones. He was NOT BEARISH , his model must have picked up a third category and was blinking "tactical asset allocation". He hummed and hawed and tried with 5 different reasons --rotating them to explain why he didn't do as promised.

With the first counter trend rally, he announced it after the fact. Claiming that folks should have bought on Tuesday before his announcement saturday. He said people should wait for the QQQs to go down to that level before buying. Then he bragged on callers who "had done the math" and were buying in the 80s, causing many others to do so as well. He claimed he would be able to make a precise call to sell the QQQs on the radio and told people NOT TO SELL when they went over 100. He told them TO SELL at 84--the weakest point since the beginning of the summer. He claimed that he sold at that low point because "In a bear market capital preservation is the most important thing."

In October he sprang the ACT IMMEDIATELY trade. He as Jimmy illustrates, held on, stretching the time frame time and time again so it didn't resemble anything like his original bulletin that mentioned NO RISK AT ALL. Finally when they had fallen 70% he told people to "hold them". Later he explains it by saying "We dont' sell on weakness"--Same security that he dumped at the weakest point in the trade a few months earlier.

So you see, to try to pin Brinker down and make sense out of his marketing BS is like wrestling not one but two alligators. Soon as you get one under control and think you understand what he's up to, the other one will flip and flop and bite you in the ass..ets.

-- posted by Will_L

Top 1554. Jun 3, 2002 3:45 PM

» Will_L - It's the Integrity Stupid

Seems today that the sell off had a lot to do with trust. Tyco's chairman it seems is under criminal investigation. Seems like the natural gas companies El Paso and Williams are under a shroud of wrongdoing and playing fast and loose. The brokerages are tarnished in the mind of investors who didn't know that the very companies the analysts were recommending were paying big bucks to the companies through a cozy little relationship that was never disclosed when the recommendations went out.

That brings us to Brinker. Perhaps he participated in the lack of integrity that investors feel. There was of course what seems to me the same game those Brokerages were playing, when Brinker had UTEK as his only buy and did not disclose that he was being paid under an arrangement with the same company.

There was the lack of accountability for his QQQ advice. He recommended it for every type of investor but doesn't include it in his performance. He stuck it in the portfolios of those in the BJ group while the advertising for the BJ group I'm told said they didn't do "short term timing".

He took a hike and refuses to take calls about the Nasdaq or the QQQs.

He led people to think that B2B was "different". Issued a buy on TEFQX. When it fell 90% he said "hold it". And then in a very questionable move dropped it from mention without issuing a sell.

Yep, it would appear to me that Brinker has been one more example of the lack of integrity and accountability that is plaguing the markets.

A lot of folks trusted company managment to do the right thing. A lot of folks trusted analysts at large firms to do the right thing. A lot of folks trusted smooth talking radio hosts who sell newsletters to do the right thing. There is a lot of disappointment.

-- posted by Will_L

Top 1555. Jun 3, 2002 4:10 PM

» Felipe - Re: CTR 2000

In response to message posted by Will_L:

"For folks like Dija or other's who think there is some honest approach and some scientific basis to any of these goof ball predictions that Brinker makes, there is no hope."

For a long time, I couldn't for the life of me understand how 12 jurors rendered a unanimous not-guilty decision in the O.J. trial.

Now I fully understand how it was possible.

-- posted by Felipe

Top 1556. Jun 3, 2002 7:06 PM

» ACousins - The evolution of a debacle in a single post

October 2000 bulletin: "We expect this rally to persist over a period of approximately 2 to 4 months, and to generate Nasdaq gains in excess of 20%...subscribers interested in taking advantage of this recommendation act immediately."

January's 2001 MT: "We continue to view short-term price weakness in Nasdaq 100 shares...Clearly, the Nasdaq indexes have moved lower than we anticipated in recent weeks. However, this has not altered our expectation that a major bear market rally will develop going forward...."

February MT: "The timeline for the Nasdaq led countertrend rally remains three to six months as measured from the starting point on January 3."

March MT: "In our view, the probabilities favor a three to six month bear market rally phase beginning shortly."

April MT: "We expect the Nasdaq Composite and Nasdaq 100 index to stage a significant recovery over the next several months."

May MT: "We continue to believe the Nasdaq has the potential to recover in the months ahead."

June MT: "For subscribers with a position in Nasdaq 100 Index (QQQ) shares, we recommend holding these shares for future recovery..."

July MT: "We also recommend subscribers with a position in Nasdaq 100 Index (QQQ) shares hold for price recovery..."

August MT: "We also recommend subscribers with a position in Nasdaq 100 Index (QQQ) shares hold for recovery..."

October MT: "We continue our long-standing policy of not selling into weakness and we recommend subscribers with a position in Nasdaq 100 (QQQ) shares hold these shares as we expect them to trade at much higher levels..."

November MT: "...hold these shares as we expect them to trade at much higher levels during the next cyclical bull market."

December MT: "...we recommend holding in anticipation of higher price levels during the next cyclical bull market..."

January 2002 MT: "we prefer to hold existing positions in the expectation that the next cyclical bull..."

February MT: "...hold these shares for recovery during the next cyclical bull..."

March MT: "...can hold these shares in anticipation of much higher prices in the next cyclical bull..."

April MT: "We are also retaining our hold rating..."

======== apologies to Bob if any of the quotations are inaccurate due to typing errors.

-- posted by ACousins

Top 1557. Jun 3, 2002 7:30 PM

» Fred2000 - Re: Re: Re: Dija: answer this question part 2

In response to message posted by ACousins:

"Bob could come right out and say he's a piece of s*** and he's just in this to take people's money and Dija would stand up and argue with him."

AC... Precicely. Notice when I asked her how she judges Bob's good vs. bad advice, she never responded. She also didn't respond when I said that if she thinks this board is for judging investments made by posters rather than advice given by Bob, we would gladly accomodate her if she supplied the details of her portfolio.

Her silence is deafening on the matter. I guess when you call her bluff, she folds up like a winkleman, an example of the dumbing down of Americans. It's possible dija is the lady who was on the jury with me. smile LOL

-- posted by Fred2000

Top 1558. Jun 3, 2002 7:42 PM

» Fred2000 - Re Dija wrong again - 2 CTRs, 2 Swings and 2 misses

In response to message posted by ACousins:

"He does use support and resistance levels but thinks the rest of the squiggly lines are bunkum. However, he still talks about oversold this and divergences that and internal this and such so it's bizarre to say the least."

AC... I think Bob uses a few indicators to determine when an unfavorable period for stocks is approaching. From there on, he's a chartist who makes predictions like any other technical analyst.

Notice that he never really called a bear but just referred to his call as an asset reallocation. Once the bear was pretty evident, he called it a bear and began his CTR calls. Like many technical analysts, he was wrong. Excuse me, WE were wrong.

The idea that some model will indicate tops and bottoms of the market and CTR's is pure trash.

-- posted by Fred2000

Top 1559. Jun 3, 2002 7:55 PM

» Fred2000 - Re: Re: CTR 2000

In response to message posted by Will_L:

"Brinker's timing is cloaked in enough Bs that the rubes of the world are fooled."

Hey Will! You realize that's winkleman you're speaking of.

-- posted by Fred2000

Top 1560. Jun 3, 2002 8:01 PM

» Will_L - Re: The evolution of a debacle in a single post

In response to message posted by ACousins:

Wow, One can tell a lot more about Brinker's lack of candor and Bsing when he looks at the "big picture". When you go back and read how Don Lane and the characters on Yahoo UTEK thread were hyping UTEK when Brinker wasn't telling folks that UTEK was paying him, it all makes sense. At the time it was hard to see what he was up to.

When you look at all those quotes about the same call (the FAILED CTR in the QQQs that he recommended FOR ALL INVESTORS) you see clearly my point. Brinker makes crap up as he goes along to try to make his calls look better. He extended that "short term call" into a "two year long term holding" and some people claim it's logical.

He has slowly but surely coupled it with his next fiasco--that cyclical bull market. See--you want to renew your subscription to find out when he calls that cyclical bear so you will know when to sell that short term CTR that you are way underwater on. How Clever. Just how stupid does one have to be to swallow all that crap?

-- posted by Will_L

Top 1561. Jun 3, 2002 8:25 PM

» dija - Re: Re: Re: Model Time Frame

In response to message posted by walkerman:

walkerman said: "dija, judging by the numerous whiny-nosed, redundant, totally incorrect, brinker-bashing posts your comments about CTR/CB have elicited, I'd have to conclude that you hit the nail right on the head."

walkerman, if so many disagree, I MUST be wrong! - smile Maybe "they" are right. Maybe a call of 3 to 6 months DOES "overlap" with a call of 6 months to 3 years. hehe

Maybe a call of "zero to infinity" IS a precise call.

Maybe because a CTR call and a CB call have a couple of the same elements, they ARE essentially the same!! (Even though there are also many differences).

And maybe Will is Santa Claus.

-- posted by dija