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» Steven_Russell - Re: Dinosaurs and the Bible

In response to message posted by DesertSage:

Oooohh, dinosaurs! One of my favorite subjects.

Dinosaurs had posture that was fully erect, similar to that in mammals. Most other reptiles have limbs in a sprawling position. For instance, compare the way a crocodile 'walks' with that of, say, a cow. Dinosaurs would have moved like a cow, with the limbs supporting the body from beneath. Crocodiles 'waddle,' as their limbs project sideways from their body.

Quite right. That upright posture is generally the distinguishing characteristic of the dinosaurs.

How Big Were Dinosaurs? Some were as small as chickens, and others were even smaller.

Indeed. Coelophysis comes to mind as a very early Triassic example of these small chicken-like dinosaurs. And yet, [almost] none of these dinosaurs survived, while some other contemporaneous reptiles surely did survive to this day, such as crocodiles and tortoises, and snakes and lizards. There must have been some other dinosaur characteristic in the genes that did not favor dinosaur survival, over the reptiles that did survive.

But not all non-dinosaur reptiles survived. The dinosaurs "ruled" the Earth, but they were not alone in it. They shared it with many other types of reptiles, and also with little furry mammals.

Dinosaurs came originally in two essential types: Saurischia, and Ornithischia. These two shared the world with other non-dinosaurs but closely related reptiles such as the Pterosauria, Crocodylia, and Rauisuchians. And there were many other types of more distantly-related reptiles as well, such as the Ichthyosauria and the Sauropterygia.

The Saurischia group of dinosaurs eventually gave rise to the surviving Aves (bird) class, as well as to other related but extinct dinosaur forms such as Archaeopteryx, and the later Tyrannosaurus, as well as the largest dinosaurs ever, the Sauropods, Brachiosaurus, Diplodocus, and Argentinosaurus among others.

The other main dinosaur branch, Ornithischia, gave rise to such well-known forms such as Iguanodon, Stegosaurus, and Triceratops.

According to evolutionists, the dinosaurs 'ruled the Earth' for 140 million years, dying out about 65 million years ago. However, scientists do not dig up anything labeled with those ages.

True. But it's such a gargantuan amount of time, that some interesting obvious observations shout out. For instance, the fact that Tyranosaurs are only found in the very late 3 million years or so of rock layer. A relative newbie among the dinosaur dynasty, and it came along just barely in time to see the whole dynasty get wiped out.

Putting aside Michael Crichton's research or literary license, Tyrannosaur never belonged in "Jurassic" Park, since it clearly never existed until the very end of the much later Upper Cretaceous Period.

If dinosaurs evolved from amphibians, there should be, for example, fossil evidence of animals that are part dinosaur and part something else. However, there is no proof of this anywhere.

Well, it depends on how closely you care to examine the intermediate forms. Dinosaurs did not evolve from amphibians. They evolved from other reptiles. And which dinosaurs do you mean, Saurischians or Ornithischians? Both of those came out of Archosaurs, which in turn came from a line of the Thecodonts, to be very general about it. Prior to that, the earlier Cotylosauria reptiles would have given rise to these and many other types of reptiles, as well as the Therapsids which eventually in turn gave rise to the mammals.

So I think in the very generalized grouping listed above, the Archosaurs would most closely resemble your criteria of a creature being "part dinosaur and part something else." Of course, these creatures are way past the Amphibian line, already deep into widely varied and specialized early reptilian forms.

Here is a breakdown of the transitional lines of "some" of the known forms discovered so far:

Descendants of Reptilia Class

1 Reptilia Class 320,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 300,000,000 BCE Paleozoic Era, Upper Carboniferous Period, Pennsylvanian Epoch

......... 2 Cotylosauria (reptile) Order 300,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 290,000,000 BCE Paleozoic Era, Upper Carboniferous Period, Pennsylvanian Epoch

.................... 3 Peliosauria (extinct reptile) Order 290,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 285,000,000 BCE Paleozoic Era, Upper Carboniferous Period, Pennsylvanian Epoch

.................... 3 Therapsida (reptile-mammal) Order 290,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 285,000,000 BCE Paleozoic Era, Upper Carboniferous Period, Pennsylvanian Epoch

............................... 4 Cynodontia (extinct reptile) sub-Order 240,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 230,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Triassic Period

............................... 4 Dicynodontia (extinct reptile) sub-Order 240,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 230,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Triassic Period

............................... 4 Theriodontia (reptile-mammal) sub-Order 220,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 210,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Triassic Period

........................................... 5 Placerias (extinct cow-like reptile) Family 220,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 210,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Triassic Period

........................................... 5 Mammalia Class 200,000,000 BCE Pangea supercontinent 195,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Triassic Period

.................... 3 Sauropterygia (extinct reptile) Order 250,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 245,000,000 BCE Paleozoic Era, late Permian Period

............................... 4 Plesiosaur (extinct reptile) Family

.................... 3 Thecodontia (proto-dinosaur) Order 241,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 239,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, early Triassic Period

............................... 4 Archosaur (proto-dinosaur) Family 235,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 230,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, early Triassic Period

........................................... 5 Saurischia (dinosaur-bird) Order 230,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 220,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Triassic Period

...................................................... 6 Eoraptor (dinosaur) Family 230,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 220,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Triassic Period

...................................................... 6 Theropoda (dinosaur-bird) sub-Order 230,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 220,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Triassic Period

................................................................. 7 Coelophysis (carnivorous dinosaur) Family 230,000,000 BCE eastern & sw United States 213,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Triassic Period

................................................................. 7 Herrerasaurus (dinosaur) Family 225,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 220,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Triassic Period

................................................................. 7 Proto-Raptors (dinosaur-bird) Family 210,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 200,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Triassic Period

............................................................................ 8 Raptor (extinct dinosaur-bird) sub-Family 210,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Triassic Period 200,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Triassic Period

........................................................................................ 9 Ornithomimidae (extinct raptor) infra-Family 100,000,000 BCE 95,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Cretaceous Period

........................................................................................ 9 Oviraptor (extinct raptor) genus 97,000,000 BCE Gobi Desert, southern Mongolia 65,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Cretaceous Period

........................................................................................ 9 Velociraptor (extinct raptor) genus 80,000,000 BCE 70,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Upper Cretaceous Period

............................................................................ 8 Dinosaur-bird sub-Family 170,000,000 BCE 160,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Jurassic Period

........................................................................................ 9 Protoavis (extinct dinosaur-bird) genus 160,000,000 BCE 150,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Jurassic Period

........................................................................................ 9 Archaeopteryx (extinct dinosaur-bird) genus 150,000,000 BCE Bavaria, Germany 130,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, early Cretaceous Period

........................................................................................ 9 Ichthyornis (extinct dinosaur-bird) genus 90,000,000 BCE 88,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Upper Cretaceous Period

........................................................................................ 9 Hesperornis (extinct dinosaur-bird) genus 90,000,000 BCE 88,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Upper Cretaceous Period

........................................................................................ 9 Aves (bird) Class 65,000,000 BCE

............................................................................ 8 Ornitholestes (extinct dinosaur-bird) Family 160,000,000 BCE North America 140,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Jurassic Period

............................................................................ 8 Compsognathus (extinct dinosaur-bird) Family 150,000,000 BCE 140,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Jurassic Period

................................................................. 7 Allosaurus (carnivorous dinosaur) Family 150,000,000 BCE Colorado & Wyoming, U.S. 140,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Jurassic Period

............................................................................ 8 Giganotosaurus (carnivorous dinosaur) genus 105,000,000 BCE 90,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Cretaceous Period

............................................................................ 8 Albertosaurus (carnivorous dinosaur) genus 100,000,000 BCE Alberta, Canada, & Montana, U.S. 80,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Upper Cretaceous Period

................................................................. 7 Deinonychus (dinosaur) Family 140,000,000 BCE Montana, U.S. 130,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, early Cretaceous Period

................................................................. 7 Struthiomimus (egg-eating dinosaur) Family 75,000,000 BCE 70,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Upper Cretaceous Period

................................................................. 7 Tyrannosauridae (carnivorous dinosaur) Family 68,000,000 BCE North America and Asia 67,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Upper Cretaceous Period

............................................................................ 8 Daspletosaurus (carnivorous dinosaur) genus 68,000,000 BCE North America and Asia 67,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Upper Cretaceous Period

............................................................................ 8 Tyrannousaurus (carnivorous dinosaur) genus 67,000,000 BCE North America and Asia 66,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Upper Cretaceous Period

........................................................................................ 9 rex Tyrannousaurus 66,000,000 BCE North America and Asia 65,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Upper Cretaceous Period

...................................................... 6 Prosauropod (dinosaur) Family 225,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 220,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Triassic Period

................................................................. 7 Sauropodamorpha (herbivorous dinosar) sub-Family 220,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 210,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Triassic Period

............................................................................ 8 Plateosaurus (herbivorous dinosaur) genus 210,000,000 BCE central Europe 200,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Triassic Period

................................................................. 7 Sauropoda (herbivorous dinosaur) sub-Family 200,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 190,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, early Jurassic Period

............................................................................ 8 Diplodocus (herbivorous dinosaur) genus 180,000,000 BCE western United States 170,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Jurassic Period

............................................................................ 8 Apatosaurus (herbivorous dinosaur) genus 150,000,000 BCE 140,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Jurassic Period

............................................................................ 8 Camarasaurus (herbivorous dinosaur) genus
............................................................................ 8 Brachiosaurus (herbivorous dinosaur) genus 150,000,000 BCE western U.S. & eastern Africa 140,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Jurassic Period

............................................................................ 8 Titanosaur (giant herbiv dinosaur) infra-Family 140,000,000 BCE 120,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Jurassic Period

........................................................................................ 9 Argentinosaurus (giant herbiv dinosaur) genus

........................................................................................ 9 Rapetosaurus (giant herbiv dinosaur) genus 70,000,000 BCE Madagascar 65,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Upper Cretaceous Period

........................................... 5 Rauisuchian (bipedal carnviorous reptile) Order 225,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 220,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Triassic Period

...................................................... 6 Rauisuchian (bipedal carnivorous reptile) Family 225,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 220,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Triassic Period

........................................... 5 Crocodylia (crocodile) Order 220,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 215,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, middle Triassic Period

...................................................... 6 Phytosaur (extinct crocodilian reptile) Family 220,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 215,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, middle Triassic Period

...................................................... 6 Crocodylidae Family 205,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 200,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Triassic Period

...................................................... 6 Alligatoridae Family

........................................... 5 Ornithischia (dinosaur) Order 225,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 220,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Triassic Period

...................................................... 6 Ornithopoda (dinosaur) Family 170,000,000 BCE 160,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Jurassic Period

................................................................. 7 Camptosaurus (dinosaur) genus 140,000,000 BCE 130,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, early Cretaceous Period

............................................................................ 8 Iguanodon (dinosaur) genus 120,000,000 BCE 110,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Cretaceous Period

............................................................................ 8 Hadrosaurus (dinosaur) genus 100,000,000 BCE Wyoming & New Jersey, U.S. 90,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Cretaceous Period

...................................................... 6 Stegosaurus (dinosaur) Family 150,000,000 BCE North America, Europe, India, & Asia 150,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Jurassic Period

...................................................... 6 Ceratopsia (dinosaur) Family 150,000,000 BCE 140,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Jurassic Period

................................................................. 7 Psittacosaurus (dinosaur) genus 140,000,000 BCE Germany & ne Asia 130,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, early Cretaceous Period

................................................................. 7 Protoceratops (dinosaur) genus 97,000,000 BCE 90,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Cretaceous Period

................................................................. 7 Triceraptops (dinosaur) genus 72,000,000 BCE 70,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Upper Cretaceous Period

...................................................... 6 Pachycephalosauria (billed dinosaur) sub-Order 100,000,000 BCE 80,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Upper Cretaceous Period

........................................... 5 Pterosauria (extinct flying reptile) Order 209,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 208,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Triassic Period

...................................................... 6 Triassic (extinct pterosaur) Family 209,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 208,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Triassic Period

...................................................... 6 Upper Cretaceous (extinct pterosaur) Family 90,000,000 BCE 70,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Upper Cretaceous Period

................................................................. 7 Pteranodon (extinct pterosaur) genus 70,000,000 BCE 68,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, Upper Cretaceous Period

.................... 3 Chelonia/Testudines (tortoise) Order 235,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 230,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, early Triassic Period

.................... 3 Ichthyosauria (extinct reptile) Order 220,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 215,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, middle Triassic Period

.................... 3 Squamata (snake/lizard) Order 215,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 210,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Triassic Period

.................... 3 Rhynchocephalia (tuatara) Order 215,000,000 BCE Pangaea supercontinent 210,000,000 BCE Mesozoic Era, late Triassic Period

-- posted by Steven_Russell