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Terrorist 9/11 Attack: Discussion 2,000 +
This archived discussion is "read only". « Previous 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 Next » » Jen_ - Imagine..... .In response to message posted by maylyam: Hi Mahlyam - Welcome to the group....I think John Lennon said it well.... Imagine there's no heaven Imagine there's no countries You may say I'm a dreamer Imagine no possessions You may say I'm a dreamer ....Jen -- posted by Jen_ » rasputin13 - Re: IRANIANS ARE NOT ARABS! In response to message posted by maylyam:Arabs or not, you folks have your share of problems. Your concern with not being considered Arabs is irrelevent really as there are of course good Arabs and not so good Arabs. There are plenty of very bad Iranians who promulgate terrorism. As you say, "some fanatic Muslims are ruling Iran". Certainly no different from the Arab extremists. Yeah, I'd go with the "Persian" thing. It's worked for the cats. By the way, Merry Christmas or Happy Eid or whatever. -- posted by rasputin13 » Steven_Russell - Re: Re: IRANIANS ARE NOT ARABS! In response to message posted by rasputin13:Good points, Ras. But I really don't understand why so many non-Arabic people of the east continue to hold on to an Arabic religion which was forced onto them by conquest, as in Persia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. Maybe it was a result of the appeal of the newness of monotheism to these peoples, whereas in the west monotheism had already existed in an older tradition through Christianity and Judaism, so Islam offered nothing significantly new to the west. Maylyam is correct, the Persians are derived from the Indo-European root family which lived in Asia Minor perhaps about 4,500 BCE. That root family originally gave rise to the Celts in what is now France and western Germany, the Hittites in Asia Minor, the ancient Greeks, the Indo-Iranian culture in India perhaps about 3,000 BCE, the old Italic cultures in the northern Adriatic, the Germanics and North Sea Scandinavians, the Illyrians and Albanians in the western Balkans, Armenians, and Scythians in the Crimea and Altai Mountains. The Indo-Iranian culture in greater India then split in two, leaving the Indo-Aryan (Indic) culture in India, from which then in turn derived Sanskrit; the northwestern group of Indo-Iranian became the Old Iranian culture in Persia perhaps about 3,000 BCE. The Old Iranian culture then developed and separated into Avestan in northeast Persia, while the southwest Persians further split into the Kurds in western Persia, and the Baluch in southeast Persia (now Baluchistan, northwest Pakistan). In remaining Persia, the Middle Iranian culture then further divided into the Parthians in southwest Persia, and other populations in Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Turkistan. The Parthians then sort of evolved into the people of the Farsi language, which dates back to 800 CE. These are the Iranians of today. I also vote to change the name back to Persia, and I really don't know why they have not done so.
The Jews, from the ancient Hebrews, are also mythically descended from Abraham, through his wife Sarah. The Arabic culture spread out from Arabia to Egypt and North Africa, the Middle East, Asia Minor, and southern Europe mostly during the Muslim conquests in the 7th century CE. Populations of those regions today are largely of Arab heritage as a result, having replaced the conquered peoples who earlier lived there. -- posted by Steven_Russell » Steven_Russell - Re: Re: Imagine..... In response to message posted by Sinewave_03:It's refreshing to see some compassion around here...I haven't seen that for a while. -------------------------------------------------- Hey, I'M compassionate... John Lennon is my hero. Keep on playing those Mind Games, forever. Love is a flower Yeah we're playing those mind games Yes is the answer *
Of course this was the negative, cynical late 60's, and John was fully expecting to walk out of the studio after he read what he expected to read, which could easily have been some bitter facile negative commentary on the state of the universal reality of existence. Instead, he was pleasantly surprised to read there one simple three letter word:
So keep on playing those mind games Raising the spirit (I want you to make love, -- posted by Steven_Russell » Sinewave - Re: Imagine..... In response to message posted by Steven_Russell:(I want you to make love,
However,...I did notice a...ah...compassionate...side to you... In reference to Delaunay’s painting... Thanks Sine, that's the one! Unfortunately, the internet photos don't quite do justice to the color range and tones, the darks all come out a little too black, when they really are quite varied gradations. The book cover version I have is much more subdued, showing finer detail and smoother color gradations, and more definite brushstrokes. I have always been intrigued by this piece, and have tried to emulate the style, but I don't have the color theory training (nor innate skill) to really get it right. He also keeps the lines of the shapes very loose, but in places also very taut, which creates a nice tension, so the piece doesn't just go completely out of focus. Overall, it's just a masterful balance of applied color and shape theory, full of energy and implied motion. -- posted by Sinewave » Steven_Russell - Re: Re: Imagine..... In response to message posted by Sinewave_03:Actually, Steven...I have heard that line a time or two... probably in a different context though...
Ahh, at risk of too much OT here, it must have been in a corporeal context, if I get your meaning, Sine. Not that there's anything wrong with that However, if I understand John Lennon, his lyric goes to the collective state of mind of his elevated ideal of instinct for humanness. uugggh, the folly of trying to substitute verbiage for a well-crafted lyric. Just let the poet know-it. And speaking of poets, thanks for the Delaunay reminder. Made me pull out the book again, to try to figure out Circular Forms some more, and of course I spotted something else in it I never quite saw before, made me go hmmmmmm. -- posted by Steven_Russell » Sinewave - 9/11 Probe: Aiming High The commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks wants to talk to top Bush Administration officialsSunday, Jan. 26, 2003 After a bumpy start that included the resignation of Henry Kissinger as its first chairman, the commission investigating pre-Sept. 11 government lapses may remain just as controversial. Two commissioners of the bipartisan panel, which holds its first meeting this week, told TIME they will push for a wide-ranging, aggressive probe that will include testimony from top Bush Administration officials who didn't testify last year in a joint inquiry by the House and Senate intelligence committees. One panelist, Tim Roemer, a Democrat who just retired from Congress, complained in a statement he issued last month as a member of the House-Senate panel that the congressional probe suffered because such officials as Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, John Ashcroft and Condoleezza Rice "were not questioned directly about issues related to the Sept. 11 attacks." A Rumsfeld spokesman refused to "speculate on what participation will be extended" to the commission. But Roemer told TIME that all relevant Bush officials must be interviewed this time around, along with officials from prior Administrations. His view is echoed by another commissioner, who says, "I can't imagine that we wouldn't be talking to them." Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona, a key architect of the legislation forming the commission, said the Bush Administration "slow-walked and stonewalled" the House-Senate inquiry. "I don't see how you can have a thorough investigation without talking to the people who were in charge throughout the time period prior to 9/11," he told TIME. McCain said the new investigation should go at least as far back as 1989, when U.S.-backed mujahedin drove the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan—and the U.S. pulled back from involvement in the war—scarred region From the Feb. 03, 2003 issue of TIME magazine -- posted by Sinewave » Kirk - FBI hunts al-Qaida suspect in U.S. .
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