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This report from 5/28 MSNBC.com......

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Libya offers Pan Am 103 settlement

Rare concession from country accused of terrorist acts

MSNBC NEWS SERVICES

Family members of the 270 victims of the Pan Am 103 bombing have reported to the Bush administration that Libya has promised $10 million to each family as part of a settlement that contains provisions sure to anger the U.S. government, a senior official said Tuesday. Still, the offer would be a rare concession from a government accused of terrorist acts.

THE OFFER comes nearly 14 years after Pan Am Flight 103 was blown from the sky by Libyan terrorists over Lockerbie, Scotland, on Dec. 21, 1988.

The settlement offer comes in response to a civil lawsuit filed by the victims’ families against the Libyan government. The lawsuit was filed in 1996, five years before the conviction of a Libyan intelligence agent, Abdel Basset al-Megrahi, for the murder of all 259 people aboard the aircraft and the 11 victims on the ground.

‘EAGER TO MOVE ON’

“These families have spent the last 13 years seeking closure and justice, and are eager to move on. They are seriously considering the offer made by Libya,” Jim Kreindler, a partner in the firm of Kreindler & Kreindler and attorney for the families of 118 victims, said in a Tuesday statement.

Not all Pan Am 103 family members are happy with the proposed $2.7 billion deal, however.

Some family members have told NBC News that in the fine print of the proposed deal are conditions they find onerous — among them, that the survivors will receive $4 million when United Nations sanctions against Libya are removed; an additional $2 million when the United States removes Libya from its list of state sponsors of terrorism; and the final $4 million when U.S. sanctions are removed.

The families suggest that this will, in effect, make them lobbyists for the government that killed their loved ones.

Susan Cohen of Cape May Court House, N.J., who lost her 20-year-old daughter, Theodora, in the Lockerbie bombing, said she was outraged by the offer.

“I feel this is a sickening business deal which has nothing to do with any real change on the part of Libya,” she told Reuters by telephone.

“It’s a buyoff of the families that serves only the purpose of the Libyans to get out of sanctions,” she said.

But Bert Ammerman of River Vale, N.J., whose brother, Tom Ammerman, 36, was killed on Flight 103, offered a different point of view, calling the proposal a “substantial settlement.”

“It means that if your fingerprints are on acts of terrorism you will be held accountable legally, financially and politically,” said Ammerman, who will not directly benefit from any settlement, though his sister-in-law will.

“I am pragmatic, but some families will never be able to accept any agreement,” Ammerman said.

A senior U.S. official, who spoke only on condition of anonymity, said the Bush administration would not feel bound to comply with any of the settlement demands made by the Libyans, describing them as “outrageous.”

The official added that Congress would reject them as well. He said the United States could not commit to lifting its sanctions unless Libya is in full compliance with Security Council demands.

NOT UNPRECEDENTED

If approved, the proposed settlement would be among the first such offers, but not unprecedented. According to the U.S. State Department Web site, in 1999, Libya paid compensation for the death of a British policewoman, a settlement that arose from an April 1984 incident when gunmen inside the Libyan People’s Bureau in London fired on a peaceful demonstration against Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi. The 1999 payment preceded the reopening of the British Embassy.

Libya also paid damages to the families of victims in the bombing of UTA Flight 772. Six Libyans were convicted in absentia in that case.

NBC’s Pete Williams, MSNBC’s Robert Windrem, The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report. contributed to this report.

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Is this case setting a precedent for settlement offers for families of 9/11 victims? Hmmm - besides bin Laden and the al Qaeda which countries or organizations have fingerprints all over the 9/11 terrorist attacks? Follow the money!

.....Jen

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» Jen_ - European Wiretaps - 9/11 Warnings?

This from 5/29 LATimes.com.... this isn't new news but old news with added details being brought out again during the current investigations of who knew what and when prior to 9/11. Somewhere back on one of these threads we've already posted articles about the European wiretapping that could have warned about the 9/11 attacks if again.... the dots had been connected.....

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Wiretaps May Have Foretold Terror Attacks

Investigation: Suspected Al Qaeda operatives taped in Italy in 2000 discussed airplanes, airports and strikes "that will never be forgotten."

By SEBASTIAN ROTELLA and JOSH MEYER, Times Staff Writers

PARIS -- Suspected Al Qaeda operatives wiretapped by Italian police in the 13 months preceding Sept. 11 made apparent references to plans for major attacks involving airports, airplanes and the United States, according to transcripts obtained by The Times on Tuesday.

U.S. law enforcement and intelligence officials said they would study the transcripts because the conversations, although open to interpretation, could refer to the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

A report by a Milan anti-terrorism prosecutor containing the transcripts suggests that Italian authorities realized sometime after Sept. 11 that the conversations could be related to the attacks on the United States.

If that is correct, it raises tantalizing questions about whether suspects in Italy had advance knowledge of the plot by the Sept. 11 hijackers, an elite group whose operation appears to have been tightly compartmentalized for maximum secrecy. Moreover, the intercepts could be another of the indications emerging globally that authorities missed signs that attacks were in the works.

In one conversation, a suspected Yemeni terrorist tells an Egyptian based in Italy about a massive strike against the enemies of Islam involving aircraft and the sky, a blow that "will be written about in all the newspapers of the world."

"This will be one of those strikes that will never be forgotten.... This is a terrifying thing. This is a thing that will spread from south to north, from east to west: The person who came up with this program is a madman from a madhouse, a madman but a genius. He is fixated on this program; it will leave everyone turned to ice," he said.

That dialogue took place Aug. 12, 2000, in a Citroen driven by Abdelkader Mahmoud Es Sayed, then 39, an Egyptian accused of being Al Qaeda's top operative in Italy and a man with ties to the inner circle of Osama bin Laden. Es Sayed had just picked up the Yemeni, Abdulsalam Ali Ali Abdulrahman, at the Bologna airport, according to a transcript contained in a report by the Milan prosecutor.

"In the future, listen to the news and remember these words: 'Above the head' ... remember well, remember well.... The danger in the airports.... There are clouds in the sky there in international territory, in that country, the fire has been lit and is awaiting only the wind," the Yemeni said.

That taped conversation and others surfaced during recent trials of Milan-based Al Qaeda terrorism suspects who were the object of intense surveillance and ongoing wiretaps by Italian police in 2000 and 2001. The transcripts are among copious investigative material that has been scrutinized anew "in the light of the tragic events of last September," according to the prosecutor's report, dated May 15.

Report Cites Key Figure's Links to U.S., Germany

The report noted that there are "numerous and interesting elements concerning the relationship of Es Sayed with cells in Germany and the United States." The leaders of the Sept. 11 plot were based in Hamburg, Germany, and trained along with the rest of the 19 hijackers at U.S. flight schools.

Little is known about the command structure that operated between Mohamed Atta, the suspected chief of the hijackers, and Bin Laden.

Italian authorities would not comment Tuesday on the prosecution report, except to confirm its authenticity.

Italian and U.S. anti-terrorism investigators cooperate closely, and the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera reported Tuesday that FBI experts helped Italian police analyze the intercepts, whose sound quality was impaired by background noise.

But FBI and Justice Department officials said Tuesday that they planned to review the transcripts and that they were unaware of any help U.S. officials had provided to the Italians. Several officials said they were unfamiliar with the transcripts, but one Justice Department official noted that a small cadre of U.S. intelligence experts might have been privy to them.

A Justice Department official said that, if accurate, the recordings would require "serious" review to determine exactly what they meant and who had the information and when.

At least one of the men, Es Sayed, has been known to U.S. law enforcement for some time. He was named in an April 19 order by the Treasury Department blocking the assets of suspected terrorists. Es Sayed was convicted in Egypt in connection with the 1997 massacre of 58 foreign tourists at Luxor, and he was wanted in Italy on charges of conspiring to traffic in arms, explosives, chemical weapons and identity papers and aiding illegal immigration.

Es Sayed fled Italy to Afghanistan in July 2001, after Italian police rounded up his accomplices in a Tunisian-dominated network accused of plotting against U.S. targets.

In addition to being imam of a Milan mosque regarded as an Al Qaeda operations center, he allegedly commanded a network that specialized in providing forged documents. He allegedly had close ties to Ayman Zawahiri, the Egyptian considered Bin Laden's second in command, as well as extremists in Sudan and Egypt, according to the Italian report. Es Sayed is believed to have died during the U.S. military strikes on Afghanistan.

His visitor traveled on a Yemeni diplomatic passport, according to the Italian report. Abdulrahman allegedly has ties to Al Qaeda and "was identified by knowledgeable foreign sources as chief of a Yemeni political security organization, which provided logistical assistance and intelligence to the Egyptian terrorist group Al Jihad," the Italian report said.

At one point, the two men discussed the U.S. hunt for Bin Laden, according to the transcripts. The transcripts are less clear about to what extent, if any, they had advance knowledge of the Sept. 11 plot.

The comments about major attacks could conceivably refer to other plots, such as a foiled one to use an airplane against world leaders assembled for a summit in Genoa, Italy, in July 2001.

Nonetheless, there are intriguing references to secretive preparations involving the United States and Germany.

On Jan. 24, 2001, police taped a conversation in the Citroen between Es Sayed and Ben Soltane Adel, a Tunisian later convicted of belonging to a terrorist cell based in Milan. "Will these work for the brothers who are going to the United States?" Adel asked, apparently referring to fake documents.

Es Sayed responded angrily, according to the transcript: "Don't ever say those words again, not even joking!" he said. "If it's necessary ... whatever place we may be, come up and talk in my ear, because these are very important things. You must know ... that this plan is very, very secret, as if you were protecting the security of the state."

At the time of the conversation, some of the hijackers had already entered the United States and begun flight training, but others had not.

All of them, however, used their real identities, so they would not have necessarily needed fraudulent documents provided by associates in Milan.

Another "very important" conversation, according to the report, took place Feb. 12, 2001. It was a telephone call from Es Sayed to the telephone of Abdulrahman, the Yemeni, and was answered by a man named Abdelwahab.

"I heard you had entered America," Es Sayed said, according to the transcript.

"I'm sorry, but we weren't able to get in," Abdelwahab responded. "It's our greatest desire and our objective."

That dialogue could be significant because a suspected accomplice of the hijackers failed to enroll in U.S. flight schools after being rejected for a visa. That suspect, Ramzi Binalshibh, is a Yemeni who remained in Hamburg and allegedly helped finance the plotters from there. But the report does not tie the Milan conversation to Binalshibh.

Later in the conversation, the two men also discuss a German-based group, apparently of Islamic extremists, described as "10 men with whom no one can make contact."

In addition to the Hamburg cell—whose leaders were in the United States by the time of the conversation—Al Qaeda also had cells in Frankfurt and Duisburg.

Wiretaps in Spain Also May Refer to Attacks

The Italian case is not the first in which European investigators say wiretaps may indicate that suspects were discussing the Sept. 11 attacks ahead of time.

In Spain, a country believed to have been a significant base for those involved in planning the attacks, authorities charged members of a Madrid cell as accomplices in the Sept. 11 plot based largely on wiretaps of Islamic extremists.

An unidentified suspect in London told the head of the Madrid cell in a taped phone call last August that he "was taking courses and had entered the field of aviation." Spanish investigators interpreted that and other comments as references to the airborne attack plot.

In the Milan transcripts, Abdulrahman used similar language. He told Es Sayed: "I'm studying airplanes. I hope, God willing, that I can bring you a window or a piece of an airplane the next time we see each other." The transcript says that comment was followed by laughter.

Later, according to the transcript, he said the fight against Islam's enemies would be waged "with any means we can combat them, using ... airplanes: They won't be able to stop us even with their heaviest weapons."

Rotella reported from Paris and Meyer from Washington. Times staff writer Bob Drogin in Washington contributed to this report.

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