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Top 1023.   Oct 29, 2005 9:46 AM

» SteveT - October 28, 2005 Sentiment



Once again we are getting some mixed sentiment signals. After two weeks of the Put/Call ratio 10 day moving average above 1.00 it slipped to .95 this week. The II numbers barely moved while AAII sentiment took a drastic dive, with more two out of every three out of the market. It may also be worth noting for the fourth consecutive week II finds more than 50% sitting on the sidelines. This hasn’t happened since the early April through early June time frame. That marked a volatile time for the markets with much of it to the up side. Check your allocation and make sure it is where you want it to be.

I am using the VTO report for the II data. http://vtoreport.com/sentiment/sentiment...
Note for clarification historic sentiment tables are for that current week and not the four-week moving average.


Investors Intelligence Bulls 44.8% Bears 29.2% Correction 26.0%
44.8/(44.8+29.2) = 60.54 %
Four Week Average = 61.57%



A few historic dates:

7-20-98 68.42%
10-12-98 47.41%
4-3-00 67.79%
1-1-01 64.10%
4-4-01 58.91%
9-17-01 52.0%
9-21-01 48.7%
7-19-02 47.2%
7-23-02 47.2%
10-9-02 50.0%

Sideline Money Bears + Correction =55.2%
Four Week Average = 53.65%hairie has researched some fascinating numbers for all time high bulls readings going back to 1965. http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/investing/6028/799-808#message_8
and lows from 1965-2003 http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/investing/6028/810-819#message_4


From Barron' s 10/31/05
The American Association of Individual Investors
Bulls 32.1% Bears 46.2% Neutral 21.8%
32.1/(32.1+46.2) = 41%
Four Week Average = 51.03%

Historic dates for comparison:
7-16-98 44.3% S&P 500 Close 1186.75
10-12-98 36.76% S&P 500 Close 984.39
4-3-00 77.78% S&P 500 Close 1505.97
1-1-01 58.82% S&P 500 Close 1320.28
4-4-01 51.35% S&P 500 Close 1103.25
9-10-01 47.34% S&P 500 Close 1085.78
9-17-01 42.11% S&P 500 Close 1038.77
9-21-01 41.08% S&P 500 Close 965.80
7-19-02 32.88% S&P 500 Close 847.75
7-23-02 32.88% S&P 500 Close 797.70
10-9-02 42.36% S&P 500 Close 776.76


Sideline Money Bears + Neutral = 67.9%
Four Week Average = 58.95%
For more info on AAII check out their web site. http://www.aaii.com


As of October 28, 2005 close
The CBOE Put/Call ratio 10 day moving average is at .95. http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/SC.we... The VIX Market Volatility Index closed Friday at 14.25. http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=%5evix&d=t

-- posted by SteveT



Top 1024.   Oct 31, 2005 12:46 PM

» Normxxx - Re: October 28, 2005 Sentiment

In response to October 28, 2005 Sentiment posted by SteveT:

Commercial traders in the equity futures have their largest net long position since early March 2000.

The latest release from the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) shows that the nominal dollar value of net commercial positions in the S&P 500, Nasdaq 100 and DJIA futures (both full contract and e-mini) reached +$7.5 billion as of last Tuesday, an increase of $5 billion over the previous week.

This is the largest net long position, in terms of dollar value, that these traders have had since early March 2000, after which the S&P went on to sprint 10% higher in the coming weeks. Before you say "Hey, wasn't 2000 the bull market peak?", I should note that these traders had become very net short by the time the market peaked in September 2000 (to the tune of $22 billion).

Anytime commercial positions reached $7 billion or more, the S&P was higher one month later 74% of the time (average return +1.9%), three months later 87% of the time (avg return +5.2%) and six months later 91% of the time (avg return +10.0%). Over those six months, the average maximum drawdown one would have suffered was -2.9%, while the average maximum gain one would have enjoyed was +12.4%.

Sounds like a good time to use some leverage on the upside!


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The content of this message is not to be construed as constituting market or investment advice. It is intended for educational purposes only. Individuals should consult with their own advisors for specific investment advice.

-- posted by Normxxx



Top 1025.   Nov 1, 2005 11:13 AM

» Normxxx - The Markets


The Markets

By Sol Palha | 1 November 2005

"Not many men have both good fortune and good sense."
— Titus Livy BC 59-17 AD, Roman Historian

This article contains portions that were extracted from several past mkt updates (Sept 20-Oct 20, 2005)

The SP 500 and the Dow have hardly corrected when you look at things from the surface; dig deeper and you see something interesting. This lack of decline has been masked by the strength in the energy sector; indeed there are many stocks in the Dow that have experienced pretty significant corrections but most of this has been masked by the strong gains in the energy sector (certain Tech sectors appear to be reacting in the same way as the biotech sector).

As we have continually stated in the past these markets are getting more and more complex; it’s no longer a matter of just simple TA— one must also have the ability to see invisible corrections, peculiar patterns that could be precursors for big moves, the ability to know when to ignore certain TA tools even though they are screaming sell and the ability to constantly decipher on a psychological level what the markets participants are thinking. Yes the markets are getting harder to decipher but that’s what the markets are all about; you either adjust or die. To illustrate this silent correction lets compare some of the Dow components, about one month apart.

Generally speaking for the last 6 weeks the number of bears has been increasing rather rapidly and in those instances where the numbers dropped the number of neutrals jumped up. On 9/11 the number of neutrals jumped to 36% and on 10/16 the number of neutrals went up by another 11% from the preceding week (10/9). Neutrals represent bears without teeth or individuals that are usually too scared to take a position, which is a bullish factor; it therefore makes sense to add these numbers to the individuals that are bearish. When one does that the individuals that are bearish or clueless seem to dominate; this is yet another bullish signal.

2-year chart of Dow With weekly Bars

9-year chart monthly bars

Conclusion

Even though we have had a slew of negative data in the last month the markets have been resilient and it brings the term “ A market climbs a wall of worry and falls down a cliff of joy” to mind. It seems that when one examines all the list of negatives which is rather long (we are not going to mention them here as they are being broadcasted all the over the place) and looks at things logically, it appears that the markets should crash but this has not been the case to date. As a result we would be very careful about shorting this market right now, as it seems to have resisted some of the worst news out there. We decided to look at two charts: the first chart looks at the intermediate picture (2 years worth of data) and the other provides a longer term view; in both the long term up trend lines are still intact. Thus our conclusion is that even though there are many factors pointing to a huge market correction and maybe a crash there are other factors, which suggest betting on this, might not be a wise thing to do. Several things stand out

1) Dumb money (number of odd lot shares being shorted) seems to be shorting the hell out of this market.

2) The markets have digested a huge amount of bad news in stride. This is a very bullish development

3) The long term up trend line in both the intermediate time frame and long-term time frames are both intact.

The world has always gone through periods of madness so as to advance a bit on the road to reason.
— Hermann Broch 1886-1951, Austrian Novelist


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The contents of this letter/report does not necessarily reflect the opinions or viewpoint of normxxx. They are provided for informational/educational purposes only.

The content of this message is not to be construed as constituting market or investment advice. It is intended for educational purposes only. Individuals should consult with their own advisors for specific investment advice.

-- posted by Normxxx



Top 1026.   Nov 5, 2005 5:20 AM

» SteveT - November 4, 2005 Sentiment


I am using the VTO report for the II data. http://vtoreport.com/sentiment/sentiment...
Note for clarification historic sentiment tables are for that current week and not the four-week moving average.


Investors Intelligence Bulls 46.4% Bears 26.8% Correction 26.8%
46.4/(46.8+26.8) = 63.39 %
Four Week Average = 61.38 %



A few historic dates:

7-20-98 68.42%
10-12-98 47.41%
4-3-00 67.79%
1-1-01 64.10%
4-4-01 58.91%
9-17-01 52.0%
9-21-01 48.7%
7-19-02 47.2%
7-23-02 47.2%
10-9-02 50.0%

Sideline Money Bears + Correction =53.6 %
Four Week Average = 54.43 %hairie has researched some fascinating numbers for all time high bulls readings going back to 1965. http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/investing/6028/799-808#message_8
and lows from 1965-2003 http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/investing/6028/810-819#message_4


From Barron' s 11/7/05
The American Association of Individual Investors
Bulls 43.0% Bears 27.6% Neutral 29.5%
43/(43+27.6) = 60.91%
Four Week Average = 49.9%

Historic dates for comparison:
7-16-98 44.3% S&P 500 Close 1186.75
10-12-98 36.76% S&P 500 Close 984.39
4-3-00 77.78% S&P 500 Close 1505.97
1-1-01 58.82% S&P 500 Close 1320.28
4-4-01 51.35% S&P 500 Close 1103.25
9-10-01 47.34% S&P 500 Close 1085.78
9-17-01 42.11% S&P 500 Close 1038.77
9-21-01 41.08% S&P 500 Close 965.80
7-19-02 32.88% S&P 500 Close 847.75
7-23-02 32.88% S&P 500 Close 797.70
10-9-02 42.36% S&P 500 Close 776.76


Sideline Money Bears + Neutral = 57 %
Four Week Average = 60.7 %
For more info on AAII check out their web site. http://www.aaii.com


As of November 4, 2005 close
The CBOE Put/Call ratio 10 day moving average is at .89. http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/SC.we... The VIX Market Volatility Index closed Friday at 13.17. http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=%5evix&d=t

-- posted by SteveT



Top 1027.   Nov 5, 2005 11:15 AM

» hairie31 - Hulbert Bond Sentiment:(-67.4)

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As of November 3, 2005, the HBNSI
(Hulbert Bond Newsletter Sentiment Index) is at a record low, (-67.4)

When it seems so certain interest rates are going up, the HBNSI is saying the exact opposite, that interest rates are going down and Bond Prices will be going up.

This exact situation happen earlier this year when the HBNSI also hit the same record low (-67.4) on April 5.

I remember thinking the HBNSI has got to be wrong this time.

Well...this 10 year Treasury went from 4.62 % on March 28, to interday low of 3.8 % on June 3.

So while on the surface it seems like it's a no-brainer that interest rates are going up in the short term, I wouldn't bet against a extreme reading in the HBNSI.

-- posted by hairie31



Top 1028.   Nov 12, 2005 4:57 AM

» SteveT - November 11, 2005 Sentiment


I am using the VTO report for the II data. http://vtoreport.com/sentiment/sentiment...
Note for clarification historic sentiment tables are for that current week and not the four-week moving average.

A strong couple weeks in the markets is starting to show up in the sentiment polls. Both are now above fifty percent bulls. Put/call has dropped closer to a more neutral range but for some reason VIX dropped noticeably the past two days. What does it all mean? Are we nearing the top of a trading range? Will we set new yearly highs? My advice, check your asset allocation and let that be your guide on what action to take, if any.

Investors Intelligence Bulls 50.6 % Bears 24.7 % Correction 24.7 %
50.6/(50.6+24.7) = 67.2 %
Four Week Average = 62.93 %



A few historic dates:

7-20-98 68.42%
10-12-98 47.41%
4-3-00 67.79%
1-1-01 64.10%
4-4-01 58.91%
9-17-01 52.0%
9-21-01 48.7%
7-19-02 47.2%
7-23-02 47.2%
10-9-02 50.0%

Sideline Money Bears + Correction = 49.4 %
Four Week Average = 53.23 %hairie has researched some fascinating numbers for all time high bulls readings going back to 1965. http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/investing/6028/799-808#message_8
and lows from 1965-2003 http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/investing/6028/810-819#message_4


From Barron' s 11/14/05
The American Association of Individual Investors
Bulls 58.6 % Bears 23.0 % Neutral 18.4 %
58.6/(58.6+23.0) = 71.81 %
Four Week Average = 57.12 %

Historic dates for comparison:
7-16-98 44.3% S&P 500 Close 1186.75
10-12-98 36.76% S&P 500 Close 984.39
4-3-00 77.78% S&P 500 Close 1505.97
1-1-01 58.82% S&P 500 Close 1320.28
4-4-01 51.35% S&P 500 Close 1103.25
9-10-01 47.34% S&P 500 Close 1085.78
9-17-01 42.11% S&P 500 Close 1038.77
9-21-01 41.08% S&P 500 Close 965.80
7-19-02 32.88% S&P 500 Close 847.75
7-23-02 32.88% S&P 500 Close 797.70
10-9-02 42.36% S&P 500 Close 776.76


Sideline Money Bears + Neutral = 41.4 %
Four Week Average = 55.8 %
For more info on AAII check out their web site. http://www.aaii.com


As of November 11, 2005 close
The CBOE Put/Call ratio 10 day moving average is at .83. http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/SC.we... The VIX Market Volatility Index closed Friday at 11.63. http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=%5evix&d=t

-- posted by SteveT



Top 1029.   Nov 12, 2005 1:13 PM

» Normxxx - Re: Bull Bear Sentiment Chart Works Again

In response to Bull Bear Sentiment Chart Works Again posted by Kirk:

Since next week is expiration week (usually positive) and the week after is usually negative, I am betting we may get to 1240 - 1250 next week; at which time (but, in any case, by next Friday) I will sharply cut back (sell my "play" positions and about half of the half of my "serious" money that I invested just in time for this rally).

-- posted by Normxxx



Top 1030.   Nov 12, 2005 4:19 PM

» allancoleman - Re: Bull Bear Sentiment Chart Works Again

In response to Bull Bear Sentiment Chart Works Again posted by Kirk:

congradulations captain on your performance .

my ytd performance in my invested portfolio with a 81% stock market asset allocation is 7.69% . and my ytd performance in my total portfolio , counting living expenses ytd and real estate assets using conservative tax assessed valuations is only 6.97% .

that total portfolio only has an a stock market asset of 64% , which is why i'll stick with this rally , unlike Normxxx , until i see S & P 500 1200 again . still intend to sell by market close december 29th , no matter where the market is at . not going through another january like the this last one where i lost $75k .

thanks for providing us with an investing vehicle like suite101 where , " even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then " . smile .

-- posted by allancoleman



Top 1031.   Nov 12, 2005 6:49 PM

» allancoleman - Re: Bull Bear Sentiment Chart Works Again

In response to Re: Bull Bear Sentiment Chart Works Again posted by Normxxx:

care to put a number on the S & P 500 by year's end Norm . ? ?

Amateur-Investors.com/Weekend_Market_Analysis ( http://www.amateur-investors.com/Weekend... ) thinks a break above the 1254 level could put the 1310 to 1360 range possible .

by the way , am several chapters into John Mauldin's book new book . it'll be a classic . very easy to read as each chapter is a little book into itself and none are related so it's possible to read one chapter and put it away to ponder for awhile before you pick it up again for the next chapter later .

thanks for assisting me on my personal investing . i've converted several of my friends to ' get up to speed ' and follow your posts here . in the beginning , they thought you were ' over their head ' . but i kept sending them attachments the last several years of your posts in my personal emails to them and loaning them some of your recommended books i've bought and read , and now they prefer you to others they were reading before . so , thanks from me & them .

-- posted by allancoleman



Top 1032.   Nov 12, 2005 7:09 PM

» Normxxx - Re: Re: Bull Bear Sentiment Chart Works Again

In response to Re: Bull Bear Sentiment Chart Works Again posted by allancoleman:

You really ought to give January a try, at least if the week after Christmas is not a disaster.

In the past, the first day of January has been a good predictor for the first week of January; the first week of January has been a good predictor for whole month of January; and the month of January has been a good predictor for the year. Which is why you might want to have an exit strategy even for the remainder of this year!

Still,
From A Usually Reliable Source. . .
BOTTOM LINE
We are in the midst of the fat and juicy part of the new uptrend. Stock prices got nicely oversold in October, and should now trend higher through November and December. This is a trend that one should not miss. At some point, we’ll have to worry about a cyclic dip into February, but that is not the issue for the moment.

Gold and bonds should also see an up month for most of November, although gold prices should top out around Nov. 23/25 and then give back all of November’s gains on a dip into December. Bond prices ought to see a rise of at least four points from here before the rally out of the oversold bottom is done. It could go on much further than that, but four points is the minimum expectation.

But I do not expect the market to much exceed 1280, if it even gets that far.

If you want my opinion, FWIW, I think 2006 is going to be an economic disaster. I think housing prices will level off and I think the consumer will finally have to retrench. If we are lucky, we may yet get a good (but not great) Christmas before that happens. I think our new Fed Head will be sorely tested.

Have plenty of cash and your shopping lists ready by next October; there should be lots of bargains to snap up— that should prove the bottom of this Presidential cycle. If we are lucky, it should also prove to be the bottom for the cyclical bear following the 2003 rally, which should play out next year.

"even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then " .

As any farmboy can tell you, hogs don't look for acorns, they "sniff them out!"

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The content of this message is not to be construed as constituting market or investment advice. It is intended for educational purposes only. Individuals should consult with their own advisors for specific investment advice.

-- posted by Normxxx



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