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Top 5033.   Jan 1, 2001 6:13 PM

» Rande - Did somebody mention Hulbert earlier?

Did somebody mention Hulbert earlier?


"Investors often develop a cultlike devotion to one investment guru or another. And when they do so, objectivity goes out the window. That isn't to say that the investors' psychological needs should be dismissed. After all, investing is an arena filled with uncertainty; it's only natural for people to seek approval and affirmation in such an environment. But it is hazardous to one's wealth to seek such psychological security at the price of objectivity."

Mark Hulbert in "Wearing Your Heart on Your Portfolio" from the NY Times (2/6/00)


Here's another good one while we're on good quotes:


"The market is never wrong and it cannot be defeated. It is selfless. It does not experience feelings of victory or defeat. The market is a cold battlefield and its participants are engaged in a life-or-death battle against themselves."

Josh Lukeman in The Market Maker's Edge

-- posted by Rande



Top 5034.   Jan 1, 2001 6:14 PM

» _grasshopper_ - Re: Re: Re: A Question

In response to message posted by Felipe:

Let me (hopefully) preempt the argument that this QQQ trade was not part of his longer term timing model.

You can argue this point though. The QQQ trade was based on market internals, while the long term timing model is based on things like market sentiment and money supply. It is possible only one set of indicators is flawed.

I'm primarily interested in knowing whether you have the same level of confidence in Brinker.

Definitely not. The poor wording of the bulletin, being censored on the BB.com website and having my subscription offer revoked makes me wonder if BB is losing it.

Grasshopper

-- posted by _grasshopper_



Top 5035.   Jan 1, 2001 6:28 PM

» Karin_ - Re: The adventures of FelipeMan!!!!

In response to message posted by Felipe:

You are too fanny for words Felipe!
Irreplaceable!
Thank you Felipe.
http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/Bank...

-- posted by Karin_



Top 5036.   Jan 1, 2001 7:45 PM

» Gadfly - cancel that subscription, PLEASE

I just crucnched the numbers for the effect of the
brinker experiment on my portfolio. In January 00,
I sold 60% of equities like a good little lemming.
I sold an additional 5% when the master spoke.
Not completely brainwashed, I've been in an out of
qqq's three times, currently holding 4% with an
avg. cost of $67, down 20% on the trade. Rough
figures show the interest gained was cancelled by
taxes and the qqq loss. My sale of spy, mdy, and
presx, netted a gain of 6.2%, versus not selling
anything. Tomorow I next day fedex an Exchange
Reguest Form to Vanguard, exchanging from prime to
VTSMX, restoring my original U.S.A. equity posi-
tion.

Regarding my market timing adventure: I feel like
a drunk,that convinced he could drive the twenty
miles home, gets behind the wheel and somehow
wakes up the next morning asleep in his driveway.
Actually, aside from not feeling particularly
bright, I most regret the loss of time, that was
spent neurotically focused on the next marketimer,
the next bulletin, and the next broadcast, the
next one day one hour TA qqq timing model,and the
next post on that now defunct web sight.

Gad-

-- posted by Gadfly



Top 5037.   Jan 1, 2001 7:51 PM

» dija - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lets talk numbers

In response to message posted by Will_L:

I haven't had a chance to respond to any posts directed at me because I've been working all day!
(I don't know how you all get the italics to come up when you quote the person you are responding to, so I'll do it the old-fashioned way):

That is exactly right! It is amazing how many "experts" did NOT recommend a fully invested position from 1993 through 1999.

I agree!

I don't really "follow" his advice. I listen to it, think about it, and make my own decisions. I must admit, though, that whenever I've gone against his advice, I've usually been wrong. Just one example: I sold an emerging markets fund, a U.S. fund and a stock (about 30% of my portfolio in all) in Oct. 1999 because I thought OTHER PEOPLE would bail out due to Y2K fears, even though he urged people not to do that.

-- posted by dija



Top 5038.   Jan 1, 2001 8:03 PM

» dija - Re: Best market prognosticator

In response to message posted by Kirk:

Kirk said:

That is correct. But almost everybody underperformed the market from 1993 through 1999. That is no disgrace. Few people made as many correct calls as he did, and I really do pay attention to various experts' predictions. Also, I give him some credit for starting to recommend index funds when it was apparent they were beating his recommended funds.

They do as far as I'm concerned!! Those calls kept me from even thinking about doing the wrong thing and paring back a few times. Plus, people who were dollar-cost-averaging in were able to become fully invested. And most people have SOME cash to add at times like that.
Also, just being RIGHT counts. At the time of all of his gift-horses, many "experts" were bearish. He was right. They were wrong.

<...seems rather odd to be long QQQ>

I couldn't agree more. I never did understand that call. But who the hell am I to question him? (Plus, I feel funny even mentioning it because I now have the benefit of 20-20 hindsight).

-- posted by dija



Top 5039.   Jan 1, 2001 8:15 PM

» Kirk - Re: Re: Best market prognosticator

In response to message posted by dija:

To post italics, look just below the posting window when you reply.... 8)

That is correct. But almost everybody underperformed the market from 1993 through 1999.

No, some of us kicked butt... of course, I was mostly technology mixed with diversified mutual funds. I used the diversified mutual funds for retirement money and then invested with taxable money to try and beat the averages. I did and now I do what I like for far less "salary" but I sure enjoy life more. I liked my old job, but doing what you REALLY enjoy is sure great! 8)

My point is ALL the guru's you were listening to are market timers and they usually ALL do poorly and us slob, small investors that buy good stocks when they are on sale and then just hold do very, very well. ANYONE that stayed FULLY INVESTED through the 1990's (count me in that group) beat the market. Actually, I didn't become fully invested until 1994 when I figured I had enough tech stocks and then bought a 'vette to drive around in with the last of my cash. 8) I'd be REALLY happy if I had kept driving my old Fiat X1/9 and put the new vette money into MSFT, Intel, HWP and IBM, but one has to live a little!

BTW, I have not seen technology valuations like I saw in 1993 until last week... Needless to say, I've been a buyer again.

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-- posted by Kirk



Top 5040.   Jan 1, 2001 8:49 PM

» dija - posts

In my last 2 posts, I typed in the statements that I was responding to, but they did not appear in the posts. I must be doing something wrong. Does anybody know what to do about that?

PS: I'm new on this site. My first post was Dec. 31.

-- posted by dija



Top 5041.   Jan 1, 2001 9:01 PM

» Karin_ - Re: posts

In response to message posted by dija:

dija that is easy...
when you want to reply to a persons post,
click on the bottom of the post Reply

-- posted by Karin_



Top 5042.   Jan 1, 2001 9:12 PM

» Kirk - Re: posts

In response to message posted by dija:

My first post was Dec. 31.

Welcome!

You seem like a seasoned veteran of internet debate! I'm glad to have ya as you seem like a good addition to our group!

Hint...compose ALL posts in MSWord... then if they vanish, you have a backup.

-- posted by Kirk



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