Joe Battipaglia
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» DennisL - Joe's Year-End Targets
Looking at Joe's weekly market commentary, I see that he is still calling for Dow at 12,700, S&P 500 at 1,650, and NASDAQ at 3,000 at year-end.This means that in the next 112 days, the Dow would have to rise 32.22%, the S&P 500 51.02%, and the NASDAQ 76.96%.
It's one thing to be bullish for the long run, but I think Joe is way out in left field here.
Anyone want to wager on how soon Joe cuts those year-end targets?
-- posted by DennisL
» Slick - Re: Joe's Year-End Targets
In response to message posted by DennisL:Thanks Dennis...
I like to keep track of big Joe , but since he's not exactly in demand on the business show's these days, we don't get his updates.
I can't imagine any scenario meeting his targets , except " PANIC BUYING" in spades. So no bet 
( but I hope he's right ...somehow)
Strange times ...Slick
-- posted by Slick
» DennisL - Re: Re: Joe's Year-End Targets
In response to message posted by mdorsey:Joe is the Roger Babson (our dear "Suite" Roger Babson, that is ;-) ) of the perma-bull camp...blinded from reality so much by his unwavering bullishness, he would never see a bear market even if it smacked him right in the kisser.
We're in a bear market right now and Joe doesn't see it.
-- posted by DennisL
» DennisL - Joe's March 11 Commentary
Joltin' Joe sure is upbeat today:http://www.gruntal.com/research/commenta...
Was the guy right all along?
As one well-known weekend radio talk show host says, we shall know in the fullness of time.
-- posted by DennisL
» SteveT - A Capital-Spending Bonanza?
http://www.businessweek.com/investor/con...
Joseph Battipaglia of Ryan, Beck & Co. sees tech stocks particularly benefiting from accelerating corporate outlays in 2006
Look for business spending to be the power behind the economy in 2006, says Joseph Battipaglia, executive vice-president and chief investment officer of Ryan, Beck & Co. While he thinks consumer spending will continue to grow at around a 3% rate -- and account for 70% of economic growth -- corporate outlays are going up 9% now, and the rate should accelerate, he predicts.
Much of that spending will go to technology, Battipaglia says, as 2006 and 2007 see "a new expanding technology cycle." In the stock market, among the beneficiaries of that trend would be Microsoft (MSFT ), Motorola (MOT ), Palm (PALM ), Cisco (CSCO ), and game-software makers Take Two Interactive (TTWO ) and THQ (THQ ), he says.
For the market in general, Battipaglia forecasts gains of 7% to 10%, and even more in some emerging markets, where he particularly likes South Korea and Taiwan.
These were among the points Battipaglia made in an investing chat presented Dec. 29 by BusinessWeek Online, in response to questions from BWOnline's Jack Dierdorff and Karyn McCormack. Following are edited excerpts from this chat:
What's your macro outlook for the market in 2006?
The stock market will benefit from ongoing strength from the U.S. economy, which we believe will grow by 3% in 2006. It will benefit from an ending to the Fed's rate-tightening cycle, this being somewhere between 4.5% and 5%, and it will benefit from an expansion of the capital-spending cycle that has been present throughout this recent expansion. As companies deploy more of their free cash to capital-spending projects, this will help a great deal.
We're also bullish on the global outlook for growth, which when you put it all together means we could see U.S. stocks gain between 7% and 10%, and certain international markets do even better, particularly in the emerging-market arena.
Are you worried about oil prices, inflation, housing, or anything else for the coming year?
As far as a real wild-card concern, I would say that al-Qaeda is getting quite desperate, given that Iraq has had three successful elections, and it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to strike back at the U.S. as a wild-card event in 2006.
But as for the run of-the-mill threats to a decent stock market in '06, we believe crude will trade between $40 and $55 a barrel, which would be lower than the prices we saw in 2005. Inflation hasn't been stoked in the general economy such that we believe inflation in 2006 will come in at or under 2%.
As for housing, it seems that the housing boom is now settling down into a more normal level of activity…and there shouldn't be a significant adverse wealth impact on the economy at large as the boom comes to an end.
Looking back at 2005, what do you see as the pluses and minuses for the market over the year?
Well, clearly the pluses were the economy's resilience in the face of much higher energy prices, economic dislocation, and distress courtesy of the hurricanes, and a nasty political environment where the drumbeat was how bad things were for America and in America. Another positive in 2005 was that the Fed delivered on what they said they'd do: a steady, measured increase in interest rates and a seamless handoff in leadership from Greenspan to his successor Bernanke.
Another positive was the maintenance of high profit margins and good levels of cash generation by U.S. corporations, which in turn fueled a significant rise in dividends and stock buybacks, which served to help investors. It's a combination of these events that kept the volatility in the market low, and so we avoided any serious sell-off in the course of the year. While we didn't make as much money as we would have liked, it's something of a relief to not have explosive volatility for such a long time.
On the negative side, we had terrific outperformance by commodity classes from agriculture to metals to oil, we had the last flourishes of the last speculative boom in real estate, so we haven't seen any new money come charging into the stock market yet.
Another negative is the ongoing preference of investors for hedge funds and other private-account investment vehicles, which may sow the seed for dislocations in the future, given the fact that returns in these categories are hard to come by, and many investments so made don't have a ready public market. So liquidity is an issue. This is a story to be written, perhaps, in '06 and '07.
Do you think consumer spending will remain strong? Or will business spending be the bigger story for 2006?
We believe that, based upon how the economy is doing and the large corporate cash positions, investment spending will be a bigger story for '06 than consumer spending. Consumers will stay on the 3% growth rate in spending, accounting for 70% of economic growth, but capital spending has been growing at 9%, and we expect that to accelerate in the new year, as companies become more bullish on their own outlooks and look at the technology structure and realize they're entering a new period of obsolescence they'll have to contend with. I don't think it's a coincidence that Microsoft (MSFT ) is introducing Vista in 2006, which could make '06 and '07 part of a new expanding technology cycle.
Which emerging markets do you like for the coming year?
Chief among them would be South Korea and Taiwan. I'm still bullish on parts of Latin America, though I'm concerned about growth rates in those economies due to the leftist tilt of the latest elections in various countries.
Given your expectation for corporate spending on tech, what stocks should benefit?
Clearly, software companies like Microsoft stand to benefit. In the cellular area, Motorola (MOT ) is in the uptrend with dramatic new products. We also like Palm (PALM ) -- we think they will be much more competitive with the BlackBerry [made by Research in Motion (RIMM )], with a higher-margin product.
We like Cisco (CSCO) in networking and Internet telephony, though the stock has been a disappointment for some time. We're bullish on the game-software makers, names like Take Two Interactive Software (TTWO ) and THQ (THQI ).
Do you believe energy stocks will keep leading the market, or will other groups take the reins?
With our forecast for energy prices I'm hard pressed to make the case that energy stocks, whether it be natural gas or oil, domestic or foreign, will advance much from the valuations they enjoyed in '05. High energy prices don't usually beget ever higher prices -- usually the opposite. I would be inclined to take profits from the group. I think refiners, who are maxed out in their capacity, won't be able to grow their production unless they make substantial investments. So we will be a net seller of this group that provided market leadership in the past.
What stocks or sectors are you most bullish about for the new year?
Health care and technology. We've already discussed tech, but in health care we see an improvement in investor expectations for the large cap pharmas, from Pfizer (PFE ) to Bristol-Myers Squibb (BMY ), Merck (MRK ), etc.
We'll also have the continued march from biotech companies bringing out products and having high growth rates, names like Genentech (DNA ). The medical-device companies will also do very well…. Generics will also have a place, because the two main themes for health care are the aging population and the drive for limiting health-care costs.
You cited medical devices and generic drugs as areas of health care you liked -- any specific stocks for us there?
I would mention AstraZeneca (AZN ), Cardinal Health (CAH ), and Caremark (CMX ).
Joe, what are your targets for the Dow, S&P 500, and NASDAQ? And what about the federal funds rate?
I expect by yearend next year the Dow Jones will be at 11,650, the S&P 500 at 1350, and the NASDAQ composite at 2570. As far as the fed funds rate goes, we have an expectation that the Fed will stop between 4.5% and 5%, and I'm starting to think 4.5% is more likely, which will coincide with the end of Greenspan's tenure.
Now, over the course of '06, we may see higher highs than these targets, but that's the nature of the market. These would be fairly healthy returns for year four of this bull market.
A lot of market watchers have been predicting large caps and growth stocks would outperform smaller and value stocks. What do you think?
We started to beat that drum in the second half of this year when it comes to large cap vs. small cap and growth vs. value. We still think that premise will lurk, but I'm not convinced it's going to be an overwhelming bias, and I say that because while large caps have underperformed and small caps have enjoyed valuations shooting upward, small caps still have decent earnings power, while some large-cap companies in categories like energy and financial services might have a more difficult go of it in 2006.
In the case of value vs. growth, the five-year value cycle we've been in definitely looks tired to me, especially since the two big value categories (energy and financial services, again) have both played out. So I do feel having a growth orientation to the portfolio is a better call than value. I do think large cap will outperform small but believe there will be good opportunities throughout the spectrum.
That leads to a question: How would you sum up your own investment strategy and how you pick stocks?
Well, the best way to sum up how we pick stocks is to discuss the proprietary valuation models we use in our money-management program, which focuses on profitable, well-capitalized companies, and we decide whether they're attractive based on multiples of free cash flow, enterprise value, and long-term growth rates.
Ultimately, the ability of a company to generate free cash flow beyond investment determines its ultimate valuation, and it allows you to not only set a buy range for a stock but also a sell range that supplies some discipline. Happily, we're in an era where companies are indeed focused on profitability and generating cash flow, and being judicious on how that cash is used.
So I predict an increase in dividends, stock buybacks, and targeted acquisitions. These are the kinds of companies one should accumulate in their portfolios. Many of the names I mentioned earlier are in our portfolios today.
Are there any financial stocks you see as plausible picks now?
I would say some of the large money-center banks like Citigroup (C ) and JPMorgan Chase (JPM ) will have their day. I'm also bullish on Merrill Lynch (MER ), Goldman Sachs (GS ), and some others.
Insurance will do well -- Allstate (ALL ), Prudential (PRU ), American International Group (AIG). The problem for the smaller banks is that their multiples are high, their earnings growth is slowing, and their stocks may move sideways for some time.
Do you have any views on how an investor should allocate assets these days?
I do. For a growth-oriented investor, we would have 25% in income and defensive asset classes, with 12% of the 25% in short-term Treasuries, 8% of the 25% in corporate bonds (intermediate term), and 5% in gold. We would have 75% in equities in growth categories, with 62% in the U.S., 13% in foreign, and two-thirds of the equities in large cap, one-third in mid --- and approximately a 60/40 weighting, growth vs. value. Looking at the 13% allocated to foreign, two-thirds in emerging, one-third in developed, and of that one-third, mainly Japan and Europe.
For the 5% of a portfolio in gold, would you like it in the metal itself or in gold stocks? If the latter, which one or ones?
We own it through the ETF iShares COMEX Gold Trust (IAU), which is direct ownership of gold that gives us a pure play on the price of gold. Interestingly enough, part of the reason gold prices are moving higher is that producers have run into higher costs and no increased production, so you have some volatility in the business of gold mining that I would rather avoid, and just outright own the metal.
Which sectors (or stocks) would you advise investors to avoid for the next year?
"Avoid" is a pretty harsh word to use, since there can always be stocks in a group that run counter to trend. But I would clearly underweight energy, consumer discretionary, and utilities, since we're in the middle innings of the economic expansion and interest rates aren't going to be materially lower. Some of the expectations for stocks in this group aren't going to be met. If I expect these stocks to underperform, I would rather be invested elsewhere.
-- posted by SteveT
» pete2214 - Re: A Capital-Spending Bonanza?
In response to A Capital-Spending Bonanza? posted by SteveT:Here is a guy who ruined many peoples life saving during the dot com bust. They usually call him at CNBC when the market is down.
-- posted by pete2214
» Kirk - Re: Re: A Capital-Spending Bonanza?
.In response to Re: A Capital-Spending Bonanza? posted by pete2214:
Here is a guy who ruined many peoples life saving during the dot com bust. They usually call him at CNBC when the market is down.
How so? I remember checking Joe’s web site back then and he recommended a diversified portfolio like I do here. My newsletter portfolio is filled with tech stocks, to the tune of about 43%, and it is well above its peak 2000 value. Thus being “a permabull” or “optimist” and owning technology stocks doesn’t mean you are in bad shape today, especially if you pay attention to GARP.
Joe was bullish at the top, but he remained bullish throughout the bear because he believes in the long term value of the stock markets. If his bullishness caused anyone to get too aggressive or too sector specific in what they owned, then they have themselves to blame, not Joe.
FWIW, Joe is a regular on FOX. I just saw him speaking as I started this reply.
For 2005, "Kirk's Newsletter Portfolio" was Up 13.2% vs. QQQQ up 1.2% vs. DJIA down 0.6% vs. S&P500 Up 4.8%
As of 12/31/05 the Total Return for "Kirk's Newsletter Portfolio" since 12/31/98 is Up 197% while the S&P500 only up 12%!!! & NASDAQ only up 1%!!! (my portfolio beta is roughly equal to that of QQQQ.)
What should be quite clear is a “buy and forget” market strategy using the DOW, S&P500 or NASDAQ would have under performed holding money funds over the past seven years while my newsletter portfolio nearly tripled every dollar invested
GARP stands for “Growth At a Reasonable Price.”
-- posted by Kirk
» pete2214 - Re: Re: Re: A Capital-Spending Bonanza?
In response to Re: Re: A Capital-Spending Bonanza? posted by Kirk:I remember at the height of the boom he was touting most of the tech stocks before the crash at cnbc. To be fair I never did look at his website that time. It seems that whenever the stock market is down they call him in to pump the market.
-- posted by pete2214
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