Index Mutual Funds & Spiders (SPY, DIA etc.)


  1. RandeS
  2. BenWalsh
  3. RandeS
  4. Karin1
  5. Karin1
  6. KirkL
  7. SteveT
  8. RandeS
  9. KirkL
  10. RandeS

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Top 2.   Mar 29, 1999 6:31 AM

» RandeS - Karin,

Karin,

As long as expenses are in line with Vanguard, and the manager has the ability to track the index as well as Gus Sauter, then there would be an advantage to getting in early -- far less imbedded unrealized gains that might get distributed to newer shareholders (who didn't personally benefit from previous rise) who get caught in the event of a massive market selloff. The big IFs here are expenses and ability to track the index.

-- posted by RandeS



Top 3.   Mar 29, 1999 11:35 AM

» BenWalsh - Wilshire Target Funds Information?

Where can I get more information about this new fund?

-- posted by BenWalsh




Top 5.   Mar 29, 1999 11:41 AM

» Karin1 - new fund info

I saw it mentioned in an article in Money Magazine. If you call Wilshire Target Funds, they'll send you the prospectus. Their number is 888-200-6796. The expense ratio is .55, which is higher than Vanguard, but how much difference does that really make?

-- posted by Karin1



Top 6.   Mar 29, 1999 11:47 AM

» Karin1 - not on website

As of this morning, there was no mention of this new fund on their website!

-- posted by Karin1



Top 7.   Mar 29, 1999 12:46 PM

» KirkL - Basis Point Difference

Vanguard VTSMX 0.20% Annual Expense Ratio
Wilshire5000 Fund 0.55% Annual Expense Ratio

Amount - With 0.20% - With 0.55%

$10,000 ------ $20 ---------- $55
$100,000 ---- $200 ---------- $550
$1,000,000 - $2,000 -------- $5,500

Note, you pay this fee EVERY YEAR!

-- posted by KirkL



Top 8.   Mar 29, 1999 12:56 PM

» SteveT - Will expenses come down over time?...

I would think the expense ratio would come down some as the fund grows. Any comments.

-- posted by SteveT



Top 9.   Mar 29, 1999 2:18 PM

» RandeS - Isn't the expense ratio for the Wilshire product only 35 bp? T

Isn't the expense ratio for the Wilshire product only 35 bp? Typically, the 12b-1 fees are listed separatetly, but the total expense ratio is inclusive of these. Believe the fund as a 20bp 12b-1 fee and a total expense ratio of 35bp. Could be wrong, as haven't taken a real close look. Still happy with Vanguard alternative, both from fee standpoint and ability of manager to closely track this broad-based index.

-- posted by RandeS



Top 10.   Mar 29, 1999 2:37 PM

» KirkL - Expenses

Rande
I got the expenses from Brinker's Marketimer...
A check of Vanguard says 0.20%. I think Fidelity is 0.35%....

Vanguard:
VTSMX 0.20% min=$3,000
VFINX 0.19% min=$3,000

Fidelity:
FTSMX listed at 0.25%
FUSEX 0.20% min=$100,000

Schwab1000
SNXFX 0.55% min=$1,000

-- posted by KirkL



Top 11.   Mar 29, 1999 4:22 PM

» RandeS - Kirk,

Kirk,

Sounds right. I was thinking about the Wilshire fund at Wilshire -- I think it's a total of 35bp (20 bp 12-b1 fee inclusive). Vanguard's still lower. BTW, Schwab 1000 Select has a 35bp fee for initial purchase of $50K or more.

-- posted by RandeS



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