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Top 751.   Jan 5, 2005 1:15 PM

» passenger - Re: Re: CD Rates

In response to Re: CD Rates posted by Kirk:

Kirk:

I was told in a rate rising environment, MM may benefit more from short term CD(Will this be more likely in current measured interst raise?). Here are some current information:

MM CA TaxExmpt MM
Vanguard 1.9+ 1.8+
Fidelity 1.8+ 1.4+

Vanguard CA TaxExmpt MM seems beating WorldSavings Liquic CD nicely(If you are not old enough, you need to have 25K combined asset in WorldSavings to enjoy free checking with interests)
I am wondring (1) how there is wide gap between Vanguard and Fidelity MM fund in CA TaxExmpt MM (2) why there is so little difference between CA TaxExmpt and taxable Vanguard MM.

It looks like Vanguard CA TaxExempt hit some jack pot:-)

-- posted by passenger



Top 752.   Jan 6, 2005 4:21 PM

» Normxxx - SAVING FOR A RAINY QUARTER CENTURY


SAVING FOR A RAINY QUARTER CENTURY

Gary North's REALITY CHECK Issue 405 | December 17, 2004

"People can expect to live one-fourth or one-third of their life in retirement," says Jeffrey Brown, an economist and author of a recent study released by Americans for Secure Retirement. "That requires a lot of planning." The challenge, he explains, is to make a nest egg last a lifetime in the face of uncertainty about how long one will live and what future expenditures will be.
      Christian Science Monitor (December 13, 2004)

Ben Stein is known for his comedy skills, as seen on Comedy Central's "Win Ben Stein's Money." His performance as the deadly dull high school economics teacher in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" is a classic. But as a commentator on "Sunday Morning," he gets serious.

On the November 29 show, his commentary was titled "Retirement Planning."

Try this on for size. You're seventy-five years old. You live in the comfy home you've always lived in. You play golf in good weather. In bad weather, you travel to where it's warm and sunny. When your grandchildren call, you take them out on the lake in your new boat. Your wife takes classes in the local college and paints. This is your life in retirement and it's everything you always hoped and dreamed it would be.

Or, try this scenario: you are seventy-five years old. You live in a tiny apartment with the smell of boiled cabbage and noisy neighbors all around. You live in a scary neighborhood and you dare not go out after dark. Eating at restaurants is just a dream. Your apartment is too small to have your kids or grand kids visit. If you get sick and you have to spend time in nursing care, you don't know how you'll afford it. Your life is pure fear.

To emphasize his points, the tape editor spliced in appropriate images. For scenario #1, there was a lake with boats on it. For scenario #2, there was a photo of a dilapidated building.

Somewhere in between Lake Capital and Slumburgh is where most Americans will live out their golden years. The capital base necessary to sustain life on the lake is huge: millions of dollars. For most middle-class Americans, life is more likely to be lived in an apartment connected to a son's house, or maybe in their own home, which the son's family lives in, in preparation for the inheritance. I call this scenario #3. I call it Family Solidarity. But the two ends of Stein's retirement spectrum are realistic. You don't want to wind up in scenario #2. Stein continued:

The fact is that if you are a baby boomer, one of the 77 million racing towards retirement, you have -- to a large extent--your choice of which of these retirement outcomes is yours. You get the good outcome or something like it if you start early, get a sensible, solid financial advisor, make a solid sensible plan for retirement savings, stick to it through thick and thin, accumulate diversified savings of stocks, mutual funds, bonds, real estate, variable annuities and foreign investments. You should accumulate an amount equal to roughly fifteen to twenty times what you need annually to live on -- with allowances for pensions and social security. It's a tall order, and it's a bit scary to think about, but if you even come close to it, you get to have that great retirement life.

Problem: the percentage of people who are actively saving enough money to achieve this goal is so small as to be statistically irrelevant. The savings rate in the United States is close to zero. It has been falling for two years. (http://snipurl.com/bbnz)

The average American family's income is about $40,000 a year. The average family therefore needs to have as a goal a retirement fund of $600,000 to $800,000. But the only asset they own that may possibly enable them to achieve this is their home. This is why I see scenario #3 as the most likely. Stein warns:

The point is, making sure you have a swell retirement is up to you. Not to Uncle Sam, usually not to your employer, not to your kids. You have to max out your IRA's, your Keoghs, your 401K's and do it sensibly, and then some. And you have to start with that all important plan.

Stein's point is well-taken. Anyone who thinks that the government is going to be able to give him anything more than scenario #2 is naive. But most Americans are not doing this. Most Americans are like these people:

Or, you can just be the happy go lucky grasshopper in your working years, not think about retirement, and then later, you get to live in terror.

At that point, the editor spliced in the back side of an old woman in a wheelchair.

Which sounds better to you? I thought so. No matter how old you are, get started now and do the best you can.
http://www.benstein.com/112804ret.html

Today, the personal savings rate in the United States is 0.2%. The typical American family, which earns $40,000 a year, is putting away a whopping $80 a year. Some retirement.

How much should this family be saving? At least $4,000 a year. Like clockwork.

THE CLOCK IS TICKING

It takes high income, good investment knowledge, and self-discipline to save enough money to provide for a comfortable retirement. It also takes the ability to stay ahead of price inflation. This is not easy. In a recent article in "The Christian Science Monitor, we read:

"In the world economy, we've seen whole industries slide into bankruptcy -- steel, airlines," says C. William Jones, president of the Association of BellTel Retirees. "This has really transferred responsibility for people's financial future to themselves."

He speaks from experience. In the 14 years since he retired, Mr. Jones has lost about 35 percent of the buying power of his pension. To offset those losses, he returned to work as head of the retirees' association. "Had it not been for that, I certainly would be making a significant change in my standard of living," he says. http://snipurl.com/bdsj

To make retirement saving easier, wise workers set up an automatic payroll- deduction program with their employer. The money is deducted and put into a savings program before the worker receives his pay check. Like the U.S. government's withholding plan, this lowers the pain.

If the company matches part of the deduction, so much the better. But the SEC- approved investments may not pan out as planned. The fund may not compound as fast as you hope. But the discipline of living within your means is as important as the rate of return on your investment portfolio. Whatever the rate of return, it will produce a nest egg larger than the one produced by the non-saver.

The key to success is a person's willingness to act in terms of the ticking clock. It means facing reality young, and then acting in terms of this reality, month by month, no matter what.

The problem is, it takes only one disaster to eat up the program, such as sickness or lawsuit judgment. Insurance can offset some of this risk, but not all of it.

This is why most people in history have died poor. They did not leave much of a legacy to their heirs. They had little capital. Yet the West has known about this truth for over three millennia:

A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children: and the wealth of the sinner is laid up for the just (Proverbs 13:22).

The West's 250-year miracle of compound economic growth has made possible a reversal of this empty-purse legacy. The doubling period is 73 years divided by the annual growth rate. Compound economic growth of 3% per annum doubles the wealth of a society every 24.3 years (73 divided by 3).

The problem that most people face is that their appetites grow alongside the rate of growth. Their tastes change. Usually, these tastes become more costly.

Then, with plenty of warning but without preparation, couples find themselves retired. They must cut expenditures by 50% to 75% overnight. This kind of reduction in lifestyle comes at a high emotional price. Most people start spending their savings in order to delay the required transformation in their consumption habits. The less habitual their discipline of thrift, the less prepared they are for the day of reckoning. They fail to adjust fast enough. This is going to happen to tens of millions of retirees. They don't see it coming.

Among baby boomers, both men and women expect to play catch-up with their savings later in life instead of making regular deposits now, according to a study by The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America. Yet that strategy can be costly.

"They don't understand some basic financial principles such as compound interest and adequate returns, so they are doing nothing," says Frank Murtha, a business professor at New York University.
(http://snipurl.com/bdsj)

PAY NOW OR PAY LATER

Look at a photo of yourself that is over five years old. You can see what has happened. Maybe you should paste this photo on the bathroom mirror. Let it remind you, day by day, that the day of reckoning is approaching relentlessly.

This may seem like strong medicine. But people don't like to be reminded. A refusal to save, like the refusal to write a will or set up a trust, is the average man's response to the ticking clock. It's Scarlett O'Hara's syndrome: "I'll think about it tomorrow."

It is easy to let the debt system hike the price of a home, and then call this your retirement program. If you own rental property, this is a valid outlook. "Borrow a million dollars and have your renters pay it off," Jack Miller says. But hardly anyone can do this because most Americans don't rent. They are paying off mortgages. They will get these debts paid off about the time they retire, as long as they refuse to refinance along the way. Your home is not an ATM machine.

But this asset will provide only rental space -- more space than most retired people need. It will not provide income. It will require maintenance. Property taxes must be paid. This nest egg turns out not to be the capital asset that retired people expected. If their family members live close by, in mortgage debt up to their ears, then the retired couple probably won't move to a lower cost of living region. Their golden years become one long struggle to get enough income to finance life in their paid-off home.

People in their twenties are unlikely to read a report like this. Also, people in their twenties are locked out of the conventional real estate markets. Their income is low. They don't buy homes John Schaub's way. (www.johnschaub.com) They rent. If they save for a down payment, fine, but they can't hope to do this in Boston, New York City, Los Angeles, and San Francisco.

American families don't make inter-generational decisions based on inheritance. The parents don't sit down with the younger in-laws and make plans as to who will get what. They do not decide which region is best to keep family's capital intact.

For instance, a joint family council could decide to move to the same region. This way, grandparents won't lose contact with the grandchildren. Next, the grandparents could then buy an investment home in a lower cost-of-living region, and rent it out. Later, they can sell their existing home, not renew the distant rental contract, move to the rental home, and add a separate wing onto it for themselves when their income declines. They will be able to rent out the main home for income, or else invite the in-laws to move in. The parents then move into the smaller unit. The family of the son or the daughter then buys out the old couple, who issue a mortgage. In the nineteenth century, farmers did this for their sons. But agriculture ceased to be the chosen occupations of Americans in the twentieth century.

In the competition between grandchildren and rational family economic planning, the latter usually loses. Grandparents retain ownership of large homes in expensive cities. Retirement housing expenses then drain them of their capital.

You cannot change this culture. Most Americans make decisions that have long- term economic effects, yet their decisions are based mainly on short-term income criteria. The head of a household acts in terms of how much money he can earn now, not how much capital he can control, debt-free, later in life. The result is the dissipation of family capital.

Nevertheless, individual families can break away from the standard approach to inheritance planning. They can decide to discuss the basics with in-laws.

  • Who will take care of the parents
  • Who will inherit the largest share because of this care-provision
  • With which families the parents will live
  • What expenses must be made and when in order to make living space available
  • Who will pay for these expenses

    The parents must make mental preparations to surrender a degree of their independence. This may be the most crucial adjustment of all. Oldsters who wait to the last minute to move into assisted living quarters will usually overpay. The longer you have to make plans, the less expensive the implementation of the plan will be.

    Oldsters who know they will become dependent on their children are wise to adjust their behavior early. The fact that they don't factor this lifestyle adjustment into their retirement plans indicates that they are not taking seriously the true costs of retirement. The older you become, the more difficult the adjustment will be . . . for your children.

    It boils down to this: Who do want to see on a daily basis in your old age? Employees in an assisted living facility or your children and grandchildren? Where do you want to die? In an assisted living facility in the presence of employees, or in the presence of your children and grandchildren?

    Make your plans now.

    Am I being realistic in suggesting a family home with separate living areas? Will parents move in with a child's family? Will younger families move in with parents? If they won't, then parents had better consider an economic alternative.

    One alternative is a duplex. If you can find one in a good neighborhood, consider buying it. If the neighborhood has single-family homes, even better. Use the second unit to make a full-sized home now, if you need one. Or use the second unit as an office. But be prepared to rent it out in your retirement. A 2-bedroom unit will probably be rented by an older couple whose children have gone, but who have no home of their own, or a young family. You can be a good neighbor in either case.

    With a couple of acres in an unzoned part of the county, you could do the same with a double-wide mobile home, purchased used for a steep discount.

    I realize that we all think, "It won't happen to me." We plan to live in our own homes until we move into a nice assisted living center at $2,000 a month (today's dollar -- pre-inflation). It's great if you have $3,000 a month coming in passively, month after month. Not many people do, which is why not many people live in an assisted living center. I have seen a figure of a million Americans. That's not many.

    We have lived in abnormal times, when the Ponzi scheme known as Social Security had more money coming in than going out, and when corporate retirement plans, for those who have had them, have been solvent. Both of these conditions are going to change radically in the next two decades.

    THE GOVERNMENT WILL NOT BE THERE

    Most American assume that the government will pay for their expenses. They have not checked with Social Security to see what they can expect as their monthly check. They don't want to know. If they knew, this would pressure them to make major adjustments now. They don't want to make adjustments now. The estimated $44 trillion unfunded liability of Social Security/Medicare is about four years of all productivity, including government. This unfunded liability remains unfunded, and so continues to compound. We cannot "grow our way out of it." It grows right along with economic growth. It is expected to be $51 trillion in 2008. See Table I here:

    http://snipurl.com/smetters

    So, the average American trusts in an institution that can change the law at any time, and has, repeatedly. It's all a matter of voting blocs.

    Younger voters are kept from de-funding the system by the thought that their parents' expenses can be passed on to the voters. But they are the voters. They think that the rich will pick up the tab. But these two welfare schemes are funded by payroll taxes, not by taxes on capital or dividends. The workers will have to pay if anyone does. That's why they won't pay. They have the votes. They just haven't experienced sufficient pain yet.

    I keep coming back to this theme because I look at the catastrophic figures for personal saving. Businesses are saving, but businesses are being bought up by foreign investors, to the tine of $650+ billion this year, minus whatever they bought of government debt, which American taxpayers must pay interest on forever.

    At some point, all but the short-lived must get this question answered: Who will pay for my declining years? If your answer is "I will, with accumulated capital," that's a good answer. Just don't outlive your accumulated capital.

    Most Americans will.

    CONCLUSION

    The lack of personal saving by Americans is a widespread phenomenon. It has not arrived overnight; it will not depart overnight. It represents a major shift in the direction of present-orientation. Americans are buying present goods with the money they could have invested in order to establish a legal claim on future goods (interest and dividends). Morgan Stanley's chief economist Stephen Roach put it this way on December 10.

    America's federal government budget deficit is a very serious problem. . . . Declining personal saving is an outgrowth of the Asset Economy -- namely, aging and myopic homeowners banking on unrelenting house-price appreciation to do the saving for them. The fact that America is now in the midst of a housing bubble is especially worrisome in that regard. The problem with persistent structural budget deficits -- a long-term prognosis that is centered in the 2.5% to 3.5% steady-state range -- is that the US has no cushion of private saving to fund it. That's the intractable current account problem in a nutshell... America's saving problem is off the charts -- possibly the most serious imbalance in an unbalanced world...

    I repeat the point I made earlier -- budget deficits matter much more when there isn't a backstop of private saving. I take no consolation in the fact that the US may be running "average" deficits -- still a leap for me to accept -- if it has no private net saving. We cannot afford average deficits with no private saving. At least Europe and Asia have that cushion -- much higher private saving rates giving them every right, in my opinion, to be critical of the US for its profligate ways. Europe and Japan have their own problems, as does the US. But if the world ducks the shared imperatives of an urgent rebalancing -- just because the "other guy's" problems look worse -- we won't get anywhere.

    http://snipurl.com/bc10

    The easy way out of debt for governments is to run huge deficits and then tell the central bank to finance them by creating money. The result is the erosion of purchasing power: price inflation. The government pays its debts on the cheap.

    This is the economic case for income-producing real estate. Let your renters pay off the mortgage debt. But this strategy will fail unless your loan is a fixed interest loan. Otherwise, rising rates will eat up your profits. Your goal should be to get the debt paid off fast, and then raise your rents along with the depreciation of the dollar.

    The case for gold is the case for capital preservation and wealth transfer to heirs in an era of inflation. You had better own gold in your golden years.

    The contents of this letter/report does not necessarily reflect the opinions or viewpoint of normxxx. They are provided for informational/educational purposes only.

    The content of this message is not to be construed as constituting market or investment advice. It is intended for educational purposes only. Individuals should consult with their own advisors for specific investment advice.

  • -- posted by Normxxx



    Top 753.   Jan 16, 2005 5:31 PM

    » SCoe46 - Re: SAVING FOR A RAINY QUARTER CENTURY

    In response to SAVING FOR A RAINY QUARTER CENTURY posted by Normxxx:

    -- posted by SCoe46



    Top 754.   Jan 16, 2005 5:40 PM

    » SCoe46 - DFA?

    Getting ready to roll over my 401K into a IRA and wanted to know the cheapest way to buy into DFA funds? Will DFA serve as the IRA custodian? Seems like DFA index fund returns outperform Vanguard funds even after you add in the slightly higher fund management fees at DFA. I believe you can only purchase DFA funds through a financial advisor who will of course charge you an additonal fee for their services. What are others out there doing to in regards to this problem?

    TIA.....

    -- posted by SCoe46



    Top 755.   Jan 16, 2005 5:48 PM

    » AL_W - Re: DFA?

    In response to DFA? posted by SCoe46:

    DFA is available through Schwab, but there are some special requirements that cannot be done online. Probably needs an advisor to purchase them.

    -- posted by AL_W



    Top 756.   Jan 16, 2005 6:24 PM

    » bob90245 - Re: DFA?

    In response to DFA? posted by SCoe46:

    Most every DFA sponser calculates their fees as a percentage of assets. 1% is typical. I have found only one (Evanson Asset Management) that charges an annual flat fee no matter the account size. So this may be cheaper over the long term.

    They explain their fee schedule here. Their main site is here.

    You wrote: I believe you can only purchase DFA funds through a financial advisor who will of course charge you an additonal fee for their services. What are others out there doing to in regards to this problem?

    As long as you're planning on using DFA, it makes sense to make the most of your chosen financial advisor in order to get your money's worth. So you might have additional planning requirements that your advisor would add his expertise. Use that as an additional criteria in your selection process.

    Myself, I'm quite satisfied being a do-it-yourselfer using Vanguard funds and index ETFs. So the "DFA advisor problem" is not an issue for me.

    -- posted by bob90245



    Top 757.   Jan 17, 2005 7:09 AM

    » pbradford6 - Re: Re: DFA?

    In response to Re: DFA? posted by bob90245:

    Bob, thanks for the links. Do you know of anyone that is using Evanson Asset Management? Their fee structure is intriguing. I wonder what there reputation is.

    Like you I use Vanguard and ETFs presently and enjoy doing it myself. But as I age, I realize there will be a time in the future where I may want a trusted, ethical advisor. We all may find our mental, intellectual skills diminishing with ageing. It would be of comfort to have a trusted advisor with whom you have had a prior relationship when you personally reach your twilight years. Relying on family members may not be the solution. For me this seems to be the principle argument why one should seek to cultivate a relationship with a financial advisor in order to survive the effects of long term aging.

    -- posted by pbradford6



    Top 758.   Jan 17, 2005 8:34 AM

    » bob90245 - Re: Re: Re: DFA?

    In response to Re: Re: DFA? posted by pbradford6:

    pbradford, I don't know anyone using Evanson Asset Management. Nor do I know anyone using a DFA advisor. So I can't provide any feedback there.

    I understand your reasoning behind wanting to "cultivate a relationship with a financial advisor" in anticipation of the time when you might not be able handle those matters. And I would like to add some thoughts to that.

    I am very close to my parents who just started retirement. Every year (since about 3 years ago) we exchange a summary list of financial data. So in this way we are preparing for their time when I may have to take care of their needs.

    You may consider some similar program where you can involve a trusted family member along with a financial advisor. Dealing with just a financial advisor may not be enough. Additionally, you probably would want a family member to become familiar with your financial accounts so that person would by then have the familiarity to help you when that becomes necessary.

    Hope this helps.

    -- posted by bob90245



    Top 759.   Jan 17, 2005 8:44 AM

    » allancoleman - Re: DFA?

    In response to Re: Re: DFA? posted by pbradford6:


    hi pbradfort6 ,

    for me , my finanical advisor for my long term aging problem , will be " my last money spent " in my ROTH IRA account in the Vanguard GNMA account . excellent income flow that's tax free and guaranteed by the good faith ( ? smile ? ) and credit of the federal goverment . and if i'm outside the sphere of being able to manage that income flow , my guardian at that time will have a nice safe nest egg to distribute or reinvest as they see fit . cause by that time , i'll be beyond caring . hopefully that time will be a long ways off .

    by the way , my wife - the ONLY other financial advisor i trust , totally agrees with this long term plan . and she'll probably be the one to pick up the remains anyway . smile .

    -- posted by allancoleman



    Top 760.   Jan 17, 2005 12:14 PM

    » pbradford6 - Re: Re: Re: Re: DFA?

    In response to Re: Re: Re: DFA? posted by bob90245:

    Bob and Alan—Thanks.. I have been the principle investment advisor to my children, wife, in-laws, etc. (Not that I consider myself an expert!) Two of my children have very busy professional careers and families while the other two live more mundane lives. None of them have shown interest in investment matters. My wife and I are on the same page pertaining to investments and life styles, but she pays little attention to the nuts and bolts of investing.

    My son-in-law has a million dollar professional business and is very successful and hard working. But he never sees any type of debt that scares him.. He makes a ton of money and has all the toys, house, and perks to prove it, but he also has a horrible debt ratio and carries huge debts but thrives on the pressure. I wouldn't be comfortable having him manage my affairs. He’s way too much of a gambler.

    The other son-in-law is finishing his 4th year of schooling and still has one year of internship and a three year residency. He's very bright but is completely naive about money matters.

    My other two sons are basket cases with their own money. sad

    Bob seems to have the right set up, exchange financial information with your parents or a trusted family member. I still look after my elderly father handicapped with dementia, and two in-laws who are in their eighties but enjoy fairly good health. I’m still looking for that special family member.

    Just to reiterate, when we are in our working years and performing to our potential, it is hard to imagine developing declining skills. But it happens to the best of us and therefore, a professional may be a great help if you are lucky enough to find the right fit..

    -- posted by pbradford6



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