Honey's Brinker Beehive--Not a Fan Club

Top 436. Feb 6, 2006 3:44 PM

» honeyoneohone - Will L. Comments on Barton Biggs Interview

"I heard Brinker talking to Barton Biggs yesterday. First Brinker was anxious to claim that he gave a "sell signal" in January 2000. Like Dija, he wants to lie to the world and pretend that was what he said "all along".
The truth is that (back then) Brinker would fight with anyone who called his January 2000 call a "sell signal" for months after he made it. Like Dija's lie, Brinker did not say that in fact, "all along" he said just the opposite.
I think Brinker told Biggs about his "sell call" about 3 times. Indeed, you had the feeling that Brinker was not interviewing Biggs, but rather simply having Biggs listen to Brinker lie and brag about himself. Brinker never seemed to get around to talking about that QQQ call, which "all along" he has been lying about, much like Dija.
It seemed when Brinker wasn't bragging on himself with Biggs, he reverted to his favorite pastime--bashing someone else. (Whether it's sport's teams or individual athletes, politicians, public employees or fellow advisors, Brinker is 99% negative and loves to act superior while trashing them).
It was particularly funny, not to mention dishonest to have Brinker with great disdain give the income of some hedge fund managers--the envy was palpable. Then in the most ironic, more balls than brains question to Biggs you could imagine, Brinker says:
"Why do these clowns try to make short term gains when they are taxed so high if they work. It's "UNBELIEVABLE"."
He bitched about a lack of diversification among hedge fund investors. Old "all along I am right" dishonest-Bobby was on his bashing best and "Look at me ain't I great" sililoque to the guest, who has to have said to himself after the spot, "That is the most egotistical b** I've ever seen, why didn't he just interview himself?"
You see this is the same Bob Brinker who sent that QQQQ bulletin for people to use up to 1/3 of their entire portfolio to play his 'hunch' of a "countertrend rally" in the most volatile and highly priced area of the market-QQQs--for a TWO TO FOUR MONTH TIMEFRAME (later extended to eternity that is the graveyard of Brinker's dishonest handling of bad calls).
Now pardon me, but here we have Brinker on record, I'll be happy to find that bulletin for you--pitching using a huge amount of a portfolio in a very small segment of overpriced securities for a SHORT TERM PLAY.
One thing that you know when you hear Brinker or his shill Dija start out saying "Just like we've said "ALL ALONG"---you are about to hear some pure unadulterated BS.

-- posted by honeyoneohone

Top 437. Feb 6, 2006 3:58 PM

» honeyoneohone - Brinker's Political Bully Pulpit

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Reading Will's comments above reminded me how Brinker never misses a chance to take cheap-shots at others, especially if he feels that it might make himself appear superior.

I almost gagged when during Brinker's opening monologue on Saturday, he slammed the State of the Union speech with a cheap-shot at the president--a cheap-shot that was even low by Brinker standards.

After giving the unemployment statistics for various levels of education and showing that they are huge among high school dropouts, he asked the rhetorical question--paraphrase: "Did you hear the president say anything about addressing the problem of high school drop-outs?"

Yeah, right bobmeister! Too bad the president can't persuade all kids, from all families, to stay in school. Too bad he can't even help them with their homework. Wassamatter with him, anyway? One would think he had a country to run.

Brinker has a political bully-pulpit. He can make his prognostications without fear of rebuttal, and he isn't above using it.

You kept your kids in school, Bob--so did President Bush--so did I.

Last I heard, education through high school was free in the U.S. What more would you like the taxpayers to do, Bob? Hmmmmm??

-- posted by honeyoneohone

Top 438. Feb 7, 2006 7:44 AM

» honeyoneohone - Brinkers' Marketimer=Fortune-telling

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Brinker will resort to anything in his effort to show that he is a superior "markettimer" (AKA: fortune-teller). smile

Will L. talks about his recent attacks on Biggs and Gross:

"As I mentioned and it drives Fish crazy, I heard little snippets of Brinker's program showing him to still be the same self-aggrandizing purveyor of fortune telling crap who has to criticize everyone else.
I mentioned how Brinker took over the Biggs interview and showed how jealous he was of hedge fund managers. He took a dig at Biggs on Biggs having been on the wrong side of the oil price--great way to treat a guest.
He talked ad naseum about his "sell call" in 2000 when at the time he would vociferously challenge any caller who said it was a "sell call" and say it definitely was NOT.
In the most laughable snippet, Brinker blasted hedge funds for short term trading because up to nearly half of any short term gains would be taxed. He ridiculed the idea of doing short term trading.
Now this is from the guy who sent that "ACT IMMEDIATELY" bulletin urging all classes of investors to participate and up to 1/3 of an entire portfolio to be used on his claim of a 2 to 4 month short-term rally in the QQQ shares? What a putz!
Now I did read that Brinker made fun of another much better known and more respected financial advisor this weekend. According to the writer a caller asked about something Bill Gross had said about his view of the dollar and bonds. Brinker immediately jumped on the caller and brought up Gross's prediction 5 years ago that the Dow might well fall to 5,000. Gross, of course, is a bond guru and has no equity funds. As the lady repeatedly tried to ask the question about Gross's recent comments, Brinker would interupt and go back to whining about the Dow 5000 comments from 5 years ago.
Again this is the guy who now claims to have known what was going to happen in the market in early 2000 and yet left 40% in and added half of what he took out in the QQQQs and rode that all the way down.
When you mention that these days you hear guys like Lying Brinker shill, Dija, claiming the QQQQ deal was "too long ago". You will hear the same from stuck on stupid fish. You will see that Brinker will never mention his own short term trading idea again that harmed many of his followers.
After all, Brinker claims to give equity advice. Yet I gather he took great glee in continually hammering Bill Gross, a bond guy, for comments (not recommendations) he made about a market he does not handle money or give advice in.
Yessiree Bob, he's nothing if not petty and jealous.

-- posted by honeyoneohone

Top 439. Feb 7, 2006 4:34 PM

» honeyoneohone - Internet Was Brinker's Playground

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IMO, Brinker thinks he's smarter than most other people. he thought he could play his games as donlane/mistertopes and never be found out. He was "WRONG," as Will L. points out: smile

"Here you go Dija. As I mentioned Brinker looked at the internet as his playground to lie and tout himself and UTEK. In doing so it is obvious to one reading his posts over time that he was not as careful as he should be. It is obvious to me that he thought that his words would never be reviewed and only the momentary impact was important--ie like a newspaper article.
Here is a great example. A person who lived in Rochester had reported on attending an event where Brinker spoke in Oct 97. Brinker under his alias wanted to brag just a bit on the event and notice his wording much like that of his post predicting the golf game?
"To:Joe Basile who wrote (1640)
From: mister topes Wednesday, Oct 8, 1997 8:05 PM
Respond to of 16167
The Rochester Democrat and Chronicle reportedly published the following article on the Brinker appearance in Rochester:"ABC Radio Network Moneytalk host Bob Brinker told a gathering of over eight hundred at the Hyatt In Rochester that the stock market has more to go on the upside. Brinker forecasts a minimum range of Dow 8300 to 8500 in the months ahead and sees no reason to expect a bear market anytime soon. His appearance celebrating the seventy-fifth anniversary of radio station WHAM raised an estimated $14,000 for the Children's Hospital at Strong at the University of Rochester."
Because he is a pathological liar he forgot what he had said when he made the previous post. Then he made this one several months later in March of 98.
"To:Dipy who wrote (3796)
From: mister topes Thursday, Mar 5, 1998 8:00 PM
View Replies (4) | Respond to of 16168
On a recent visit to Las Vegas I was told by a sports guru to bet the ranch on the Denver Broncos in the Super Bowl because John Elway would have the game of his life. The pick was Denver as an 11 point underdog and the reason was Elway's greatness. Well, I bet the ranch on Denver and guess what. The guru was totally right about his pick of Denver as a great 11 point underdog bet since they made it close and easily won with the 11 point cushion in hand. However Elway played like a jokester and was pathetic. Am I mad at the guru for giving me such a great pick on Denver because Elway played poortly. Why should I be? I cashed the winning bet for bigtime bucks because the guru made the right pick. I feel the same way about Brinker's recommendation to sell New Asia on July 11 at 9.15 before the meltdown. When he was in Rochester New York he told the audience "I had no way of knowing there would be a meltdown but if you want to give me credit for it I'll take it". Everybody laughed heartily at Brinker's joke. If they could see the ridiculous posts of RIllinois, Dippy et al, they would undoubtedly laugh just as loud at these buffoons. I have never read or heard Brinker take credit for prediction. an Asian meltdown. But then again, why should he, since he got everybody out on July 11 BEFORE the meltdown. I like that."

-- posted by honeyoneohone

Top 440. Feb 8, 2006 11:51 AM

» honeyoneohone - Hey Bob Brinker: The Genie is Out of the Bottle

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Brinker used censorship to control the flow of information at his message boards. His webmaster, Bob Brinker Jr., would terminate the accounts and posting privileges of anyone who didn't march to the Brinker-party line.

This went far beyond simple TOS rules enforcement. Anyone who posted information that did not cast Brinker in a favorable light, or asked questions that made Brinker squirm, was banned and his/her posts deleted.

It went so far that anyone who even mentioned this website (Suite 101), or the names of banned people, would be terminated.

It was a gross mis-calculation for the Brinker's to conclude that they could control the free flow of information on the internet.

Here is a post from SI that is unbelievably prescient. It was made before the saga of the now-defunct Brinker message boards. It is addressed to Bob Brinker, himself, who was posting as "donlane/mistertopes." It clearly shows Brinker's controlling attitude. Brinker should have listened to Truman Bradley:

To: mister topes who wrote (867) 7/13/1997 5:07:00 PM
From: Truman Bradley of 22126

(Brinker said) In re: "Sometimes, I wonder how much longer this thread will even exist! Perhaps, we are all posting here and living on borrowed time."
(Truman replied) "Don, these are explosive comments. Would you please elaborate on this dire prognosis?
For my part, I do not see how the flow of information, proprietary or no, can be stifled vis a vis the internet. Extinguish this thread; another will doubtless rekindle elsewhere. Alas, the genie is out of the bottle, and, short of a sustained national power failure, it is difficult to imagine how it can be re-imprisoned.
In my view, those who submit proprietary and timely information via snail mail must either gird themselves for this new decentralized, in- stant electronic age or surely perish."

-- posted by honeyoneohone

Top 441. Feb 8, 2006 1:26 PM

» honeyoneohone - Bob Brinker's Marketimer

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The major issue that Bob Brinker uses to promote his own mystique and sell newsletters is his market timing ability.

Right now, he is perhaps on the horns of a dilemma because his so-called, "cyclical bull" market is getting long in the tooth. Indeed, it is nearly past his predicted "one-to-three years" time frame.

He may be left with the choice of giving a "sell" signal, and hoping the market doesn't continue to climb--or declaring that there was never a "secular bear" maket at all.

He is no doubt looking for a new way to spin it all. We "shall know in the fullness of time." smile

-- posted by honeyoneohone

Top 442. Feb 8, 2006 2:49 PM

» honeyoneohone - Brinker's Starship Moneytalk

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The question on the table is what will Brinker do as his so-called, "cyclical bull" market starts to fly right past his pre-set parameters.

"Honey" said: "We know that this hocus-pocus is Brinker's latest tool to scam people into buying his newsletter. So let's look into it's validity."
Will L. responds: "You mean like those promises that (Brinker made--like these, for instance):
"If our model ever turns bearish we will get 100% out of the market. One can choose to ride out a bear market or one can choose to avoid a bear market and go to cash"
"The way you make money in a bear market is to take advantage of the counter trend rallies"
"Marketimer is projecting a significant countertrend rally which is expected to be led by the Nasdaq 100 index. We expect this rally to persist over a period of approximately 2 to 4 months, and to generate Nasdaq gains in excess of 20% from the vicinity of the recently established Nasdaq closing low point.
We view this projected Nasdaq rally as a significant trading opportunity for Marketimer subscribers seeking potential short term capital gains. Our clear vehicle of choice for this opportunity is the Nasdaq 100, which is traded on the American Stock Exchanged under the ticker symbol QQQ.
We recommend Marketimer subscribers with aggressive objectives invest 30% to 50% of existing CASH RESERVES (ed. that would be the money Brinker recommended taking out of the market in Jany 2000) in the QQQQ shares in order to exploit this opportunity. Also we recommend subscribers with conservative investment objectives invest 20% to 30% of CASH RESERVES in the QQQ shares in order to take advantage of this opportunity."
Will continues:
Then there was the hubris about delaying of the countertrend rally etc. But the promise that as soon as the counter trend rally took place Brinker would go to cash and wait for "MOABO".
Then someone asked Brinker, "Bob when we get this great buying opportunity.". (Brinker said) "I didn't say that". "But Bob what about MOABO?" Brinker bobbed and weaved and denied the concept of "moabo" and stopped using it as a marketing ploy. He stopped talking about the countertrend rally and going entirely to cash. Indeed he just hid the fact he was still in the market and had ever made the QQQQ recommendation.
And that was the end of "MOABOchit".
The cyclical bull was defined on Brinker's site as "A cyclical bull or bear is a period in a long term secular trend lasting approximately 6 months to two years"
When I picked up on Brinker's confusing duration with the time frame for an event to happen and showed that the QQQ CTR overlapped his cyclical bull market timeframe--Brinker changed the duration of a cyclical event to one to three years.
Now you say he might be changing this? It seems that Brinker does indeed have a series of catchy ideas that when he cannot produce on them and cannot spin the events to confirm the idea, he moves on disowns the idea and starts a new P.R. campaign on another premise."

-- posted by honeyoneohone

http://www.amateur-investors.com/Secular...

Top 443. Feb 8, 2006 4:44 PM

» honeyoneohone - Flight of the Star Ship

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I found a website that has a good break down of all the so-called, "secular bull and bear markets" since 1900.

It's a subscription site, but they offer this information for free. Brinker charges to get it in his Marketimer and he only goes back to 1929:

-- posted by honeyoneohone

Top 444. Feb 8, 2006 9:04 PM

» dukeandduke - Re: Brinker's Political Bully Pulpit

In response to Brinker's Political Bully Pulpit posted by honeyoneohone:

"Did you hear the president say anything about addressing the problem of high school drop-outs?"
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Actually in the president's budget he planned to cut Social Security survivor benefits for 16 and 17 year olds who dropped out of high school to incourage more students to finish their education.

Of course this was lambasted in the media. High School dropouts are much more likely to be a burden on society - welfare, unemployment, jail, illegitmate children, etc.

I fear this country will not survive the next 50 years with this "entitlement" mentality. I'll be in Australia or the UK if need be.

-- posted by dukeandduke