Honey's Brinker Beehive--Not a Fan Club
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» honeyoneohone - Is Brinker a Philanthropist?
In response to Is Brinker a Philanthropist? posted by allancoleman:.
allancoleman said: "i'm sure if you , and others like yourself , have enough facts available to prove bob is guilty of all you say and bring charges against him , i'll just have to assume it's just another board trash talking about somebody ."
My, my, my allancoleman, those are very strong words coming from you--even your little smiley face can't take away what you typed--and if Kirk is like me, he isn't impressed by a phony smiley face added to insults in an attempt to make them go down smoother.
Are you denying what Kirk and I post here about Bob Brinker? Are you saying that Brinker is open and honest in everything that he says, writes and does?
I will wait with "baited breath" for you to show one thing that has been said that is not true about how Brinker covers up his blunders and inflates his stock market timing ability until it amounts to pure-D old lying.
Please honor us with your arguments, rather than just say we are "talking trash."
-- posted by honeyoneohone
» allancoleman - Is Brinker a Philanthropist?
In response to Is Brinker a Philanthropist? posted by honeyoneohone:yes , i am giving bob brinker credit for part of the $13.5M that KGO has raised and i'm sure the radio station would too .
no , i am not a lawyer .
and no i'm not wishing anything concerning bob brinker and Kirk . just waiting and watching for someone like New York state Attoney General Eliot Spitzer to investigate your case against bob brinker or other investment advisors who make a wrong prediction , and admitted it ( " I made a mistake " ) on their radio show and in front of a telethon audience .
in the end , honeyoneohone , i think we'll have to agree to disagree and leave it at that . 
-- posted by allancoleman
» honeyoneohone - Allancoleman: Retract and Apologize
In response to Is Brinker a Philanthropist? posted by allancoleman:.
We certainly can agree to disagree, but you have made a declaration here that I want you to back up--meaning PROVE IT, or RETRACT IT! You have said that Kirk (and inference this board) is "trash talk."
I want you to show anything that is posted in any of the over 500 posts that is not true--or I want an apology and a retraction.
-- posted by honeyoneohone
» Kirk - Is Brinker Honest in How He Advertises his Results?
.In response to Is Brinker a Philanthropist? posted by allancoleman:
I'd like a straight up, yes or no Allan.
Do you think it is honest for Bob Brinker to advertise his results like he does without telling potential subscribers that anyone who followed his advice EXACTLY as given in this Act Immediately QQQQ Bulletin and all subsequent newsletters did not get anywhere near the results he advertises?
Yes or no; is it honest?
-- posted by Kirk
» Kirk - Re: Are Brinker & Gates honest?? KGO Charity
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In response to Is Brinker a Philanthropist? posted by pete2214:
pete2214: Gates honest?? I don't know if you know the history of DOS and windows (aka mac)?
Hi Pete. Oh yeah, I'm aware!
I believe everyone at Google considers themselves in mortal combat with the evil empire from the North. Many of the VCs and smaller software companies in the Silicon Valley think Microsoft was worse than the Robber Barons who founded Leland Stanford University out of guilt and remorse and Rockefeller of Standard Oil fame all put together.
Some of us find it quite ironic that the only companies hated more in the Silicon Valley than Brinker’s only good stock pick in fifteen years are the tobacco companies!
As for
allancoleman: i am giving bob brinker credit for part of the $13.5M that KGO has raised and i'm sure the radio station would too
I am in full agreement.
I read he had 1,000 people donate $50 to hear him speak. If we assume the hotel donated the room he used to speak, then Brinker HELPED raise $50,000 of the $13.5M KGO raised.
I heard Len Tillan, the lawyer with a very entertaining show that follows Brinker's show, auctioned off lunches much like Warren Buffett auctions off a luncheon with him for charity. It was amazing how much people were paying to have lunch with Len. I Heard Len got some $100,000 from listeners to eat with him so he donated more time to try and break that record. I don't recall the details, but it was simply amazing. There are some very generous people in San Francisco that really got behind the effort.
-- posted by Kirk
» Kirk - What Is the QQQQ History?
.This is a repost. I've kept the answer on file because stories often evolve over time so it is good to have a baseline reply on file that corrects misconceptions.
In response to message posted by Will_L:
Brinker's biggest bet ever was to put one third of a portfolio into QQQs when they were trading at 83 bucks. They are now trading in the low 30s but the dishonest shmuck claims to have purchased the only QQQs in his portfolios in the mid 20s. It's a SCAM
Before someone asks if what you posted is true, I’ll repost my answer to Della that explained this in detail. Thus, anyone new to this forum via search engines will be up to speed on the full story.
Kirk
Is It True about Brinker & QQQ?
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In response to message posted by DellaO:
One point needs to be made.. The “QQQ disaster” was a whopper but it was not Brinker’s biggest mistake by a long shot. Brinker’s “biggest bet” was to go to 100% cash in 1988 after the 1987 market crash. He did not get back to fully invested until 1991. Unless you use margin or buy leveraged funds, it is impossible to make a larger “bet” than to go from 100% invested to 100% cash. He also gets positive credit for moving 60% out of the market in 2000, a larger move, that worked out well until the QQQ fiasco. See MathJunkie’s Brinker Allocation History for full details.
Now to your question:
Is it true that Brinker effectively covered up his recommendation to buy QQQ "Immediately" in the $83 range?
Yes. Here is a copy of the letter he mailed to subscribers in October of 2000.
Brinker MT Act Immediately Bulletin
Followed a few days later by a letter to his “BJ Group” managed accounts with the date of the letter, October 19, 2000, corresponding to the date when QQQ hit $87:
BJ Group Nasdaq100 Memo
Is it true that after QQQ dropped over 70% he relegated them to a hold and the trade disappeared from his newsletter?
Yes. Here is a summary of the details: QQQ update
Note QQQ remains below his “Hold” level even after huge gains from the bottom.
Is it true that he never included this huge loss in any of his three portfolios?
Yes, Mark Hulbert was fooled by the advice as explained by Peter Brimelow.
2002 0815 Brimelow - Bugging Bob Brinker http://tinyurl.com/4kb1
In a special bulletin, he suggested Nasdaq 100 Trust (QQQ: news, chart, profile), the Nasdaq 100 exchange-trade fund on the American Stock Exchange.But it did not appear in the detailed model portfolio published, as always, in the next month's letter. So Mark promptly sold out the QQQ position and no longer counted it.
Hulbert explains it in his footnote #9
Hulbert Footnote #9 "In late 2000, Brinker forecasted a several-month bear market rally and recommended an investment in the NASDAQ 100 Index—a trade that has proven to be quite unprofitable. However, because Brinker at the time of making this forecast chose not to make this trade part of his model portfolios, his HFD record has not suffered as a result."
The QQQ update shows how Bob Brinker told his subscribers to buy, month after month after month, for the rally that was yet to come from November 2000 in the $80s until June 2001 at $46 where he put QQQ on HOLD for "future recovery". His risky advice was “off the books” hence the terrible results are not reflected in his official records.
<img src=http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Sharp... width=520 height=301>
Brinker on QQQ: Buy at $83 ; Hold at $46 ;
He later added them to his model portfolios in March 2003
But Still well below the “Hide at $46” level
One more article worth reading: The Bob Brinker brawl: Round 2 which concludes with good advice:
Do not, repeat -- NOT -- gamble the rent money, much less the retirement money, on any market timer's recommendations. Only speculate with money you can afford to lose.
and this comment about someone who took the QQQ advice:
If there are many more stories like my poor friend from Rochester, we're going to see massive re-regulation of the financial markets -- a repeat of the 1930s.
If you have any doubts of what I’ve posted, then feel free to ask questions in our NEW Bob Brinker Free Discussion Forum.
We ALL have bad stock picks. The problem for Brinker is he gave the advice for a "counter trend rally" then he let it turn into a long term investment for a huge loss that is not recorded on his official newsletter record.
Fortunately for us practitioners of due diligence, there is a record of his results at the money management company Brinker advertises in his newsletter. Bob Brinker and Sheldon Jacobs used to own the “BJ Group.” They sold it and now Brinker advises them on asset allocation. More info on BJ Group - GE Private Asset Management.
These results
<img src=http://www.suite101.com/files/mysites/Brinker/BJG_P1.jpg width=520 height=486>
clearly show the effects of his QQQ advice on his portfolio. Measured from the start of 2000, it did no better than the appropriate buy and hold index benchmarks!
"If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error."
--John Kenneth Galbraith, American economist, diplomat & author"Yes, we could do that. But it would be wrong."."
-- Richard Nixon, on covering up Watergate
If you have any questions, contributions to add or whatever about what I’ve posted, then feel free to ask questions in our NEW Bob Brinker Free Discussion Forum.
-- posted by Kirk
» honeyoneohone - New Honey's Brinker Beehive Forum
.This forum is now closed--new posts here will be deleted.
Any ongoing discussions may be continued at the new forum.
The new "Beehive" is now open. Please join me here:
"Honey's Brinker Buzz."
http://investment.suite101.com/discussio...
Please bookmark Kirk's new forums page:
-- posted by honeyoneohone
» mrs1123 - New Honey's Brinker Beehive Forum
In response to New Honey's Brinker Beehive Forum posted by honeyoneohone:Geez bummer. How come after I find a group or forum it closes?
-- posted by mrs1123
» Kirk - New Honey's Brinker Beehive Forum
In response to New Honey's Brinker Beehive Forum posted by mrs1123:It is not closed, we just moved to a new location
HERE
Come on over and post your thoughts.
-- posted by Kirk
» honeyoneohone - Please Visit Honey's New Brinker Beehive
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-- posted by honeyoneohone
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