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» hodgey - Davis vs. Maynard I'm not so sure I agree. When I listen to Davis sing, wouldn't you consider his range growl -> sing -> shriek? It seems to me that his range of actual notes is limited, but he knows how to growl and shriek in interesting combinations to make his voice sound original.Although everyone knows that Maynard uses a plethora of effects on his voice on the album and live, it is still no mystery that he is an amazing singer, and I honestly don't think Davis can hold a candle to him when it comes to the true beauty of voices. -- posted by hodgey » jkocallaghan - slight differences...... the main differences in their voices is the effect they have on you. Both are emotional effects, but Jonathan has more of an angry edge, while Maynard's is more of a "crying on the inside, growling on the outside" voice. Although, if I had to choose who to perform a duet with, it would be Maynard. He can sing.-- posted by jkocallaghan » XadamX - hardcore... I've beenn around the punk and hardcore scenes for about 12 years now, from a skater to a skin to whatever I am today, and most of what you guys are calling "hardcore" would''ve been called metal 5 years ago. the Deftones are not hardcore, Korn are not hardcore, and R.A.T.M. are not, look back at Black Flag, Minor Threat, Slapshot, Youth Of Today to see hardcore as it was, and as it should be.-- posted by XadamX » hodgey - Hardcore vs. Metal Adam,I think you may be somewhat right in your comparison of metal to what a lot are calling hardcore now, but you also find that you have to go along with what everyone else is calling it or your references will become confused in transmission. What most people on the "hardcore" scene consider as metal would be Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth, and other such performers who cannot be classified in the same category as Deftones, KoRn, and Staind. So where does that leave bands like Snapcase, who would still be hardcore according to the old terms? Oddly enough, it seems to leave them in this new category of "straightedge metal," the clean-sounding metal without all the high-pitched solos and dirty tongues. Is that fair for Snapcase? Is that fair for Deftones? Who's to say. If you don't go along with the majority, you're going to find everyone thinking you are a member of one genre when it couldn't be further from the truth. -- posted by hodgey » hodgey - Maynard vs. Maynard Do you think Maynard can be compared to Garth Brooks and his alter-ego Chris Gaines?With the release of Mer De Noms, we're seeing an entirely new side of Maynard. Sure, maybe many of his lyrics are similar in context, but it is not the same Maynard. At Tool concerts, Maynard used to act like a wild child on a bad trip. Now, with A Perfect Circle, he's an emotional, romantic man who may still be weird and more weird than most in the current scene, but still an entirely different Maynard. Is he suffering from an identity crisis? Is he not sure whether to be insane or a sane of the medicated sort? Why this change of character, this separation of identities? And do we really care? -- posted by hodgey » XadamX - point taken but.... Ok Slayer et al are metal, and Deftones, Korn etc. are not metal in the traditional sense, they were never a part of the HxCx scene per se, they never paid their dues as others have. The music that Deftones, Korn etc. has no values, there is no message to it, they exist solely to make money and give kids something to worry mom and dad. Where do I leave Snapcase and others? I don't know, musically, definitely metallic, attitude wise, definitely hardcore.-- posted by XadamX » guitarlover1440 - Suggestions on Christian music Well, I don't know exactly what bands I'd like. I know for sure I like MXPX and P.O.D., Embodyment, Spoken, Luti-kriss, The Blamed, Enlow, Living Sacrifice, The Juliana Theory, Bad Religion (just because they have good messages on politics and whatnot), The Clash, Third Eye Blind, The Goo Goo Dolls, Three Doors Down...and bands like that...but I also like pop bands but not boyband stuff...so...yeah. I prefer those who write their own music and that's pretty much it. Thanks for your time.-- posted by guitarlover1440 » hodgey - Re: Suggestions on Christian music In response to message posted by guitarlover1440:Well, I don't write about regular alternative bands in these reviews because it's a hardcore topic, but looking at the list of bands you listed you might also enjoy some of the following: Stavesacre, Model Engine, Further Seems Forever, Puller, Grammatrain, Human, Nailed, Wyrick, Leaderdogs for the Blind, Curious Fools, Delirious?, Code of Ethics. If you check any of these out, I hope you find something you like. Take care and God Bless. -- posted by hodgey » Ognyen - Curmudgeon Greetings Hardcore'ers.I'm an old curmudgeon when it comes to contemporary music (in mid 40's). What sort of music should I be trying to find? My secular tastes include Led Zep (have all their albums --yes, in vinyl!), Black Sabbath (Ozzy years), Ozzy Ozborne, and I like Metallica's instrumentals. My Christian music taste is hard to pin down. I can't pick out any bands I truly like. I'm liking Bleach, and I really like Seventh Angel's instrumentals, but don't think Christian music should have those guttural evil-sounding vocals (Doctor Hatchet). So what kind of music should I be looking for? Is there any secular/christian equivilency chart you know of? I liked your article on stereotyped music, but didn't find quite what I was looking for. -- posted by Ognyen
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