Discussion for Guest Article, etc.

Top 2. Feb 17, 2005 8:16 PM

» _Boanerges_ - Re: Welcome message.

In response to Welcome message. posted by Satirie:

..ding dong... (hmmm, no one is home.. ) .. (door opens....)...

Ahh... Refreshments!! Well, I hope they take their time in getting here.. (crunch crunch.. gulp gulp gulp...) ...lol..

Hi Genia....
Thanks for making a new thread in your topic. That was very kewl of you to do this.. Thanks...

Well, I would like to thank you for writing an article as a Guest article for my topic and accepting the challenge of such. In return, I am now in the process of trying to figure out something for your topic.. Hmmm.. proving a good challenge.. yes indeed...

Your article on the series of "Does Christianity Preach Fear", was quite good, Genia. I learned a good deal from your article, and found it inspiring as well. Most excellent indeed, and well worth the time put forward, for now, and for eternity! I will also comment in my topic, but.. I was just kinda setting in the background for a bit, but for much longer smile

I particularly liked your sentence of: Does Christianty Preach Fear? "Yes! And what is at stake, it should". (I think I quoted that right)..

That one sentence said so much. As a matter of fact, I used that as a description for your article. I thought it said the most truth, with little to add. Quite nice...

So, maybe we can have some more additions to the article here. Well, lets hope so anyway!..

Thanks again... __W

p.s.>> I will add this link, to that of the article.. That way, all who read can have a chance to move back and forth...

-- posted by _Boanerges_

Top 3. Feb 17, 2005 9:32 PM

» Satirie - Re: Re: Welcome message.

In response to Re: Welcome message. posted by _Boanerges_:

Hi there, W. :-)

Thanks for making a new thread in your topic.

I changed the title three times, but it's in tact. Thanks for your comments. I think everyone should have the experience of guesting in someone else's topic. It makes you change gears and see it from a more creative viewpoint. The craft one is REALLY a change for you. lol

(anything on the carpet and you gotta vacuum...rules of the place)

-- posted by Satirie

Top 4. Feb 18, 2005 8:24 AM

» Pinky102 - Your Article

In response to Re: Re: Welcome message. posted by Satirie:

I reread your article and as a byproduct of reading it, I probably gave the host at that site a half dozen hits or so.

The set of comments to your article, over there, were interesting in that none of them took exception to anything you said.

For myself, I didn't post any questions whatsoever as I didn't want ot be drawn into an argument designed to prove how stupid I am by a host who reserves the perogative to always be superior and correct no matter what.

But, here in another site, I might venture to make some comments. smile

It would be helpful if you would always cite your references; book, chapter and verse.

In the paragraph beginning, "Christianity preaches fear...", you state that Christianity requires a completely literalist acceptance of the Bible--all or nothing--as you wrote. Why do you believbe this? The rule is a self made trap that puts the person in a box out of which there is not escape. More than that, it puts God between the covers of a book cannonized by men with political motivations out of which God cannot escape. That's why the Dead Sea scrolls are discounted by many--no new information allowed--God has spoken and that's that.

Then, later, in the paragraph beginning with, "And this touches on another...", you quote "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling". Does John mean that God allows different understandings? Or does it mean something else?

And, much more ---

Like I said, "You made some good points." But not everthing you wrote is a good point.

In other words, Satirie, your article makes a great statement for the beginning of a productive conversation, but productivity depends a great deal on the freedom of speech without fear of reprisals from a domineering host.

smile

All in all, it is a pretty good article that seems to be written in such a way as to encourage healthy discussion.

-- posted by Pinky102

Top 5. Feb 18, 2005 8:02 PM

» Satirie - Re: Your Article

In response to Your Article posted by Pinky102:

Hi, Phil. :-)

Thanks for the reminder. I thought I sent W. a scripture reference list. I didn't put each reference within the piece because it interrupted the reading of it, but will check again and get it posted.

...you state that Christianity requires a completely literalist acceptance of the Bible--all or nothing--as you wrote. Why do you believbe this?

If one believed half of the OT and a third of the NT, what verses would one choose and which ones would be eliminated? And why those and why not the others? And what if someone else disagrees on which verses should be believed as "God speaking" and which ones shouldn't? You get confusion. God is not the author of confusion (1Cor. 14:33).

If the entire Bible is not literally the word of God, then either our Creator left us all in the wilderness without any instructions, or He wasn't capable of protecting those instructions. I don't believe either is the case.

I think it's all or nothing because otherwise the Bible would not be the true word of God. How can something divided against itself stand?

The rule is a self made trap that puts the person in a box out of which there is not escape.

The "escape" is the Holy Spirit and the "word" itself.

More than that, it puts God between the covers of a book cannonized by men with political motivations out of which God cannot escape.

No. It's not a book that a few selfishly-motivated men have trapped God within; it's an instructional, convictional open door to our understanding of that which is of God.

That's why the Dead Sea scrolls are discounted by many--no new information allowed--God has spoken and that's that.

I'm not a scholar, so I can't speak that much on the Dead Sea scrolls controversy. If something boils down to authenticity and interpretation, and authenticity is verified, leaving only interpretation left, (or vice versa) then there's still controversy.

you quote "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling". Does John mean that God allows different understandings? Or does it mean something else?

Part of that is explained in the article. But it also gets into the literal/fundamental discussion again. I think the Bible is literally the word of God. We're not all alike. We have different personalities, various backgrounds and an assortment of experiences. We're all the same, but we're not all the same. Christians are the body of Christ. As such, the separate parts have been given varying gifts and areas of mission (1Cor. 12:1-31). I don't think the "Salvation" in that sentence means to find another way of "being saved". (Jesus saith unto Him, I am the way, the truth and the life Jn. 14:6). I think it means that the split-second after the point of salvation, a person is then on a journey within that salvation. And, yes, there are many things to work out (both within ourselves and externally) to build upon, fine-tune and maintain that salvation journey. As for "different understandings", it depends on what is meant by that.

"You made some good points." But not everthing you wrote is a good point.

lol I kind of thought you were holding back on a few words. :-)

I rather like freedom of speech and do encourage healthy discussion. It's a learning experience. :-)

-- posted by Satirie

Top 6. Feb 18, 2005 9:34 PM

» _Boanerges_ - Re: Re: Your Article

In response to Re: Your Article posted by Satirie:

Hi Genia...
I thought I sent W. a scripture reference list.

You did indeed... I linked it at the bottom of the article. If you need any adjustments, let me know. I also added this discussion link, from my topic discussion, and also at the bottom of your article! That should make everyone happy smile ...

-- posted by _Boanerges_

Top 7. Feb 19, 2005 6:12 AM

» Satirie - Re: Re: Re: Your Article

In response to Re: Re: Your Article posted by _Boanerges_:

Must have overlooked it when scrolling the page. Thanks, W.!! :-)

-- posted by Satirie