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The Lady Lights Her Lamp

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  1. thebattwoman
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  3. Dubh_Sidhe
  4. John_Barr
  5. lollies100
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Top 1.   Feb 17, 2002 2:48 PM

» thebattwoman - What a legacy

Florence left! One woman that changed the entire nursing procedure, we have a lot to thank her for!
Thanks for a super article John.

-- posted by thebattwoman



Top 2.   Mar 12, 2002 4:47 AM

» John_Barr - Re: What a legacy

In response to message posted by thebattwoman:

Thanks Beth - I'm very pleased you enjoyed the article. Flo has such a fascinating character hasn't she. I think that its many and sometimes conflicting facets arise from her strong will, sense of purpose and singlemindedness. Anything and anybody who can help her achieve her objectives is exploited and wrung dry without mercy, and she has the charisma and inspirational gift to command total commitment on their part. Anyone who is deemed to be in the way or a hindrance is ruthlessly cast aside, with little regard for feelings or social niceties, or how her actions may be perceived and judged by others. I guess that is how she achieved so much in her lifetime. But at the same time there is a sensitive and vulnerable side to her typified in the 'over the top' romanticism in her personal relationships and recurring self doubt as to if she is really going to achieve anything worthwhile in her life. True greatness seems to be often accompanied by mental struggle and turmoil, doesn't it.

-- posted by John_Barr



Top 3.   Apr 19, 2002 12:03 PM

» Dubh_Sidhe - Ah, yes...

I remember studying Nightingale well, and carrying a replica of the lamp when I graduated as a young registered nurse in 1956. I also remember reading about her opposites--Betsy Prig and Sarai Gamp who represented all that was bad in those early days before nursing became a respected profession. The horror of early medical/nursing care during the Crimea is difficult to comprehend in our day of technology and disease prevention. Congratulations on your award!

-- posted by Dubh_Sidhe



Top 4.   Apr 20, 2002 5:17 AM

» John_Barr - Re: Ah, yes...

In response to message posted by Dubh_Sidhe:

I wasn't aware of that charming lamp-carrying custom Virginia, and wonder if hopefully it still survives today. Certainly the spirit of Florence does. Her museum at St Thomas Hospital in London is very well attended and as lively and dynamic as she was herself - A new exhibition just started and running through till August features forgotten heroines - hitherto unpublished stories of nurses from a wide variety of backgrounds who went out to serve in the Crimea. I haven't been yet, but will report back when I do.

Thank you for your kind thoughts - I'm not really into winning things, but it's nice when it happens all the same!

-- posted by John_Barr



Top 5.   Apr 30, 2002 12:09 PM

» lollies100 - Re: Re: The lady lights her lamp

John, As for the Italians September will do. Manfredi is very good, it's a reprint of a book published in 1895 based on the documents of the Sardinian General Staff, republished in 1955 in commemoration of the Crimean war.
The ladies now. Besides the nurses there were also other ladies in the Crimea. Women that Pier Giusto JAEGER called 'Ladies of European origin, of an unidentified age, who, in the Crimea, put an end to 'not a short' career'. Ceresa de Bonvillaret (2nd Lieutenant)on the contrary, called them 'the female animals in the stables of Balaclava'. An article on these noble characters?

-- posted by lollies100



Top 6.   May 1, 2002 5:20 AM

» John_Barr - Re: Ladies of the Crimea

In response to message posted by lollies100:


Thanks a lot for agreeing to september for the Sardinians - I look forward to it.

Yes, an article on the ladies additional to Fanny Duberly and the Florence Nightingale series is definitely on the cards - I couldn't ignore Mary Seacole for example. I have a book titled "Colonel's Lady and Camp Follower" by Piers Compton (1970) St Martin's Press New York which is an excellent read on the subject, if you haven't already come across it.

-- posted by John_Barr



Top 7.   Apr 18, 2005 2:33 AM

» lollies100 - Re: Re: Ladies of the Crimea

John,
I was digging once more in your excellent series and I remembered that ,almost a year ago, I saw the announcement of a TV Broadcast on Belgian Television of a BBC production on Florence Nightingale. Unfortunately I missed this передача. It was announced not as a traditional view of the heroine miss Nightingale, glorifying her activities, but rather critical examined her reputation as 'living legend' admitting that she did a good job in Scutari, but that she was merely involved in managerial activities than in nursing, that she never worked in the Crimea and that her legendary reputation was built up carefully for her own sake but also for that of M. Sidney Herbert.
Did you ever saw this program or did you were aware of it?
regards,
Herman

-- posted by lollies100



Top 8.   Apr 18, 2005 3:58 AM

» lollies100 - Re: Re: Re: Ladies of the Crimea

In response to Re: Re: Ladies of the Crimea posted by lollies100:

just as a matter of autocorrection : it should be read 'передачу'!
Herman

-- posted by lollies100



Top 9.   Apr 18, 2005 7:03 PM

» John_Barr - Re: Re: Re: Re: Ladies of the Crimea

In response to Re: Re: Re: Ladies of the Crimea posted by lollies100:

Herman,

I don't have a Russian dictionary with me, but I think there is an impersonal construction available for 'I missed' in which case, no correction needed!

There have been several Florence Nightingale documentaries on UK TV over the past few years, and in many cases, - not only for Flo - the programme directors have to dream up a fresh angle to make sure the programme gets broadcast with a satisfactory audience rating. I can't specifically recall this one, if only because the Sidney Herbert angle is new to me, and almost certainly totally unsubstantiable. The other 'knocks' you mention seem to crop up from time to time.

Thanks for revisiting this site and I am glad to see that I have been keeping promises made a few messages up, albeit several years after they were made!

Regards

-- posted by John_Barr



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