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» lollies100 - Oh NO!!! as for 'the new belgian republic' .....We are (and were) a KINGDOM. -- posted by lollies100 » John_Barr - Re: Oh NO!!! In response to message posted by lollies100:Yes, of course you were a well established kingdom by 1856, my apologies for a slip of the pen. I must confess I have shied away from the complexities surrounding the creation of Belgium as being far too difficult for my feeble intellect to get a proper grasp of. I understand that Leopold of Saxe Cobourg was elected king, as there was no established dynasty. So presumably there was a form of republican administration immediately after independence in 1830 to organise and supervise the election? And were there several candidates? -- posted by John_Barr » John_Barr - Demilitarisation of the Aland Islands This posting is a catch-up on direct e-mail correspondence between Graham Robins of the Aland Board of Antiquities and Project Leader of the Bomarsund Site, and myself. We both feel that the subject will benefit from exposure to a wider audience and will hopefully attract additional comment.The text of Graham's first message: I have just read your article regarding the Treaty of Paris, 1856, on the Suite101 homepage. I found it very interesting, particularly with regard to the demilitarisation of the Åland Islands: "Orlov had accepted without demur Britain's demand to demilitarise the Aaland Islands." -- posted by John_Barr » John_Barr - Re: Demilitarisation of the Aland Islands Dear Graham,Many thanks for your interesting comments and questions. First I would hasten to point out that the diplomatic aspects of the Crimean War do not constitute my strong suite - Trevor Royle whom you mention, has researched these aspects in far greater detail than I, and his admirable work on the War reflects as much. Notwithstanding, you have asked for my opinions on the status of the Aland Islands in the end of war negotiations, so here goes. There is no doubt that the fifth point - effectively the job description free-for-all we are all familiar with; "any other duties as directed "(!!) - was added to the terms for armistice at Britain's request in the hope that the Tsar would reject them. And this would probably have been the case, viz Count Nesselrode's January 1856 note What arguably sealed Russian acceptance of the clause came from the Prussian side. It was spread abroad by the French that Louis Napoleon wanted to open a second front in spring 56 advancing into Russia through Prussia and Poland. On the probable successful outcome of this campaign, Poland would be reconstituted as an independant kingdom, Prussia thus giving up Posen, Austria would acquire Moldavia and Wallachia, - suitable compensation being agreed for the Sultan - and would give up Galicia. This alarmed the Prussian king to such an extent that he leant on his nephew the Tsar, threatening that if he did not Thus we have the fifth clause accepted as arguably the main negotiating area at the peace conference. Britain, obviously disappointed that her fifth clause ploy had not torpedoed the conference outright, set out to make sure it In fact, the Alands had been offered to Sweden after the allies had taken them in 1854, and been refused. OK, there were strings attached in terms of Sweden's support for the allies, but the Swedish position suggests that possession Hope this helps. The agreement on Aland was conditional in it not appearing in the main treaty - It is referred to in article 33 as being an annex, and attached as Convention III. The full protocols are reproduced in E.H Nolan's I hope that the anniversary festivities go well. Best regards -- posted by John_Barr » John_Barr - Re: Re: Demilitarisation of the Aland Islands In response to Re: Demilitarisation of the Aland Islands posted by John_Barr:Graham Robins wrote:Dear John, Many thanks for a rapid and comprehensive reply. This is all very interesting from a local (Aland) perspective, though both the destruction of Bomarsund and the demilitarisation were, relatively speaking, minor elements of the Crimean War. The international dimension is a bit more relevant when considering Aland's role in modern politics, where Aland is often cited as a model in the solution of regional conflict. The recent solution to the problems in Aceh Province, Indonesia, was proposed by a Finn, using the 'Aland model' as an example. Our Peace Institute has even been used as a discussion forum by representatives from the Ukraine and Crimea (a touch of historical irony) in their attempts to resolve autonomy problems. It seems to me that events surrounding the 150th anniversary of the Paris Treaty being concluded would create a suitable arena for this matter to be thoroughly investigated. i have also had contact with Andrew Lambert, King's College, London, with regard to this question. His view is that the fifth point was more a pragmatic attempt to ensure that Russia's war losses matched the expectations that the allies had had at the beginning of the war, and the effort that had gone into the war - perhaps also to more clearly define who had won and who had lost. I hope to be able to establish contact with Trevor Royle and put the question directly to him. I hope that you do not mind if I contact you again in this matter. Best regards, Graham -- posted by John_Barr » John_Barr - Re: Re: Re: Demilitarisation of the Aland Islands In response to Re: Re: Demilitarisation of the Aland Islands posted by Graham Roberts:Dear Graham, Thank you for your most interesting mail today. The present day significance of the Aland demilitarisation in dealing with comparable disputes was entirely new to me, and certainly a delicious irony in the case of the Crimea! Against this background, the 150th anniversary certainly looks to merit more prominence for the Aland Islands Convention than it received in the overall context of the Treaty. Whilst I remain of the firm opinion that Clause Five was devised with a view to ensuring Russia's refusal to accept the armistice terms and hence to ensure the continuance of the War, I can certainly accept Andrew Lambert's view as a By all means feel free to contact me further, and I shall be interested in the further factual details and opinions that you obtain. Best regards John -- posted by John_Barr
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