Why Sinners Saved by Grace?
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» rahunter_nf - A More Likely Reason
Ingenious suggestions, Minnie. Personally I think that a more likely reason for Christians describing themselves as "sinners saved by grace" is the one given by the writers of Life Application Bible in a note on 1 Timothy 1:15: "Paul calls himself 'the worst' of sinners. We think of Paul as a great hero of the faith, but Paul never saw himself that way, because he remembered his life before he met Christ. The more Paul understood God's grace, the more he was aware of his own sinfulness. Humility and gratitude should mark the life of every Christian. Never forget that you too are a sinner saved by grace."-- posted by rahunter_nf
» Craig93 - Re: A More Likely Reason
In response to A More Likely Reason posted by rahunter_nf:G'day all, article Minnie, a great point Bob, some good songs Phil.
I think we need to draw a distinction between condemnation and conviction, between being a sinner and sinning.
I think for many Christians, they don't know the difference between the two issues, some believe they are under conviction, when they are not, they are under condemnation, others believe they are not sinners nor is there such a thing as sin and in doing so water down and nullify what Christ has really done for us.
Every Christian is sinful, even if they no longer sin, they are capable of it, and I am yet to meet a Christian who is in the state of no longer sinning, if they meet me I would most likely cause them to break that sinless run. 
Some are under the illusion / deception of conviction, when instead it is condemnation, they confess their sins, they confess their sins, they try harder and harder not to sin, yet as much as they confess and try harder they can't shake the guilt and load of their shoulders. There is no condemnation for those of us in Christ Jesus, forgiveness is a fact, not a feeling, and we need to learn to declare God's truth, to believe God's truth and to take every thought captive and make it obedient to Christ, and tell the devil to get.
We are all sinfull people, all capable of sinning, if we do sin, we have an advocate with the father, whom if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive them.
Also John continues to say that if we say we are without sin then we decieve ourselves and the truth is not in us.
I think that once we make the clear cut distinction between condemnation and conviction, we are able to walk much stronger in Gods grace, with more gratitude in our hearts towards God for what he has done for us through Christ Jesus.
Blessings craig
-- posted by Craig93
» Craig93 - Re: Re: A More Likely Reason
In response to Re: A More Likely Reason posted by Craig93:G'day Minnie,
I had another thought as well, perhaps some people don't like the idea of telling God what they have done wrong and as a result stop spending time with him, because they are a bit like Adam and Eve hiding in the bushes from God, trying to do things there own way.
Blessings craig
-- posted by Craig93
» Minnie - Re: Great Old Songs
In response to Great Old Songs posted by Pinky102:Phil, I'm glad that you were able to "think of some great old songs." It's amazing what a huge part of our life they are.
I once heard a saying that you are influenced by the books that you read and the people you associate with. I think that songs have just as much impact because they play over and over in our minds.
Would you share the names of a couple of your favorites?
Thanks for your comments.
-- posted by Minnie
» Pinky102 - Re: Re: Great Old Songs
In response to Re: Great Old Songs posted by Minnie:"Would you share the names of a couple of your favorites?"
Just As I Am, We Have Heard The Joyful Sound, The Old Rugged Cross, Whosoever Will ...
There's a few for you.
-- posted by Pinky102
» Minnie - Re: A More Likely Reason
In response to A More Likely Reason posted by rahunter_nf:Bob, thanks for your comments.
"I think that a more likely reason for Christians describing themselves as "sinners saved by grace" is the one given by the writers of Life Application Bible in a note on 1 Timothy 1:15: "Paul calls himself 'the worst' of sinners."
You are right, Bob! I think that many Christians who call themselves "sinners saved by grace" use that scripture to confirm their accuracy in adhering to Paul's example.
Was Paul the only one who could claim the title to being the chief or worst of sinners? Or did some of the other apostles also call themselves "sinners"?
"Humility and gratitude should mark the life of every Christian." I agree!! I once heard a comment that true humility was choosing to see things as God saw them. Then I heard another teaching that God sees each Christian in Christ and that he does not see our sins anymore after we repent.
Bob, I appreciate your contributions to this discussion. I know that you have studied Paul and am grateful that you took the time to write your thoughts. Thanks!
-- posted by Minnie
» Minnie - Re: Re: A More Likely Reason
In response to Re: A More Likely Reason posted by Craig93:G'day & thanks for your comments, Craig!
"I think we need to draw a distinction between condemnation and conviction, between being a sinner and sinning."
Great Point!!! Some Christians, like in the early church, seemed to be sinning very regularly. Yet Paul called them "Saints". Did he ever call them "sinners"?
"There is no condemnation for those of us in Christ Jesus, forgiveness is a fact, not a feeling, and we need to learn to declare God's truth, to believe God's truth and to take every thought captive and make it obedient to Christ, and tell the devil to get." AMEN!
"I think that once we make the clear cut distinction between condemnation and conviction, we are able to walk much stronger in God's grace, with more gratitude in our hearts towards God for what he has done for us through Christ Jesus."
As sinners, we were condemned to spend eternity in Hell? Once we were saved, there is no more condemnation, but there is conviction when we sin or do something that is wrong?
I know that there is an unusual meaning for "sin" in the Vine Expository Dictionary. It's at http://www.antioch.com.sg/cgi-bin/bible/...
Blessings to you, also, Craig!
-- posted by Minnie
» Pinky102 - Re: Re: Re: A More Likely Reason
In response to Re: Re: A More Likely Reason posted by Minnie:It seems, to me, the main problem is in the idea of how something gets to be known as a sin.
Paul said he would not have known sin if it were not for the law. Neither would anyone else. Sin is an adjunct of the law of sin and death--the law of Torah. In order to commit sin, one must be under the law.
Sin, is itself, the condemning act according to the law.
What happens when a person is no longer under the authority of the law of sin and death? The first few verses in Romans Seven give us the answer to that question. Continuing to harp on the born again as though they were under the law of sin and death is taking the wrong fork in the road.
-- posted by Pinky102
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