Protestant Reformation
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» StCatherine - Re: Reconcile?
In response to message posted by plowboy:If the goal of the Reformation was to break away from the Catholic Church, then it is complete. Any more than that comment, I'll leave to the Protestants to discuss.
Reconciliation has occurred in all but the most fundamentalist Catholic and Protestant individuals. The Catholic church now recognizes the baptisms of Protestant churches - that means, when I converted I didn't have to be re-baptized. And Catholics and Protestants often cooperate on issues that bring them together, such as providing social ministries in local communities.
Reunification is not possible because of major doctrinal issues.
-- posted by StCatherine
» plowboy - Reunification
Thank You for responding to my inquiry. Allow me to give you some background...I come from a long line of Protestants who did "break away", prior to that I come from a long line of Catholics.
Allow me a moment to vent my frustrations.
I believe all things are possible thru faith in Christ. Therefore I cannot agree with your response..."Reunification is not possible because of major doctrinal issues."
Please, Lets talk...
What are these major doctrinal issues?
-- posted by plowboy
» StCatherine - Re: Reunification
In response to message posted by plowboy:The most significant difference is the Catholic teaching on communion. Catholic doctrine is that the bread and wine turns into the real body and blood of Jesus. The Reformation teachers rejected this teaching for bread and wine as a "symbol" of Christ's body.
That's why even though it is Church teaching now that Protestants are "saved" Christians, Catholics do not practice open communion. The Church requires confession that the eucharist is the real body and blood of Jesus before communion in the Catholic church.
-- posted by StCatherine
» plowboy - The church has the power to change church doctrine.
This is what I believe Paul teaches1 Corinthians 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in rememberance of me.
And Paul warns in...
1 Corinthians 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
Paul teaches to allow for self examination and the choice to partake. Therefore communion should not be withheld. Which means this differing of opinion can be reconciled.
"The Church requires confession that the eucharist is the real body and blood of Jesus before communion in the Catholic church."
I do not believe Jesus required this confession of the apostles, nor do I believe that Paul required this confession of the Corinthians.
Therefore this being a Church imposed requirement, perhaps this requirement should be reconsidered for reconciliation sake.
Please feel free to elaborate your beliefs regarding this and the other major church doctrinal differences.
-- posted by plowboy
» StCatherine - Re: The church has the power to change church doctrine.
In response to message posted by plowboy:At the last supper Jesus said, This is my body . . . and this is my blood . . .. He also said he'd always be with us. These are the foundation teachings for the Eucharist. The confession of these beliefs is a re-statement of what Jesus told us. There is no changing or compromise with this teaching.
What Paul is talking about is receiving the Eucharist with a bad conscience. It is not possible to be in a good relationship with Christ and be living with known sin. We should all ask the Holy Spirit to guide us in knowing our sin, acknowledging it and changing to be more of what we should be as Christ's body on earth. We are supposed to receive the Body of Christ with an attitude of repentence and the resolve to be more like Him because of our relationship with Him.
-- posted by StCatherine
» plowboy - Forgiven with or without the Holy Eucharist?
I will be the first to admit that I am a sinner.I pray daily to God through Jesus for mercy, forgiveness and guidance regarding this fact.
Having said all this I can only ponder...will our loving God forgive me with or without the Holy Eucharist?
I am certain God will.
Which leaves this question...forgiven by God yet not forgiven by the Catholic church.
Is this doctrine in line with the teaching of Jesus in Matthew 18:21,22 ?
Absolutely not, which is exactly why the Catholic church should reconsider it's position regarding this issue.
You cannot teach the Holy Eucharist without adhering to Matthew 18:21-35.
Once again I would like to Thank You for engaging in this dialogue with me.
Perhaps with love, faith, mutual respect and forgiveness we may reconcile.
-- posted by plowboy
» StCatherine - Re: Forgiven with or without the Holy Eucharist?
In response to message posted by plowboy:If you repent of your sins, then the Catholic Church forgives and rejoices, also.
Protestants are forgiven, also. We just don't take communion together because of the specific and different teachings.
You are looking at this from the Protestant view that communion is a fellowship of believers. I have explained the Catholic teaching on this and it is not just a fellowship of believers.
Are you sure you wanted to engage in a dialogue. You don't seem to have "heard" what I said. Maybe you just wanted to be heard.
Catholics and Protestants do many things together. I watch TBN a little bit and pray every day with my neighbor in my duplex. She attends a Word of Faith church. There is reconciliation, love, a respect everywhere without taking communion together at mass. You have to choose to find it and live it.
-- posted by StCatherine
» plowboy - Patience Please
Perhaps I do not understand or have not "heard" what you are trying to express to me. You stated..."Catholics do not practice open communion." What do you mean by this?Please bear with me as I endeavor to understand this whole mess.
As an infant I was baptized Episcopal. However, for the most part of my life I have attended a United Methodist church. I have done extensive genealogical research. As I stated I come from a long line of Protestants going back to the early 1500's and prior to that time I come from a long line of Catholics.
I am trying to figure out which faith should I adhere to and why.
I really do not know the differences in doctrine, or why they matter.
-- posted by plowboy
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