Cater To Those Monarch Caterpillars!

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  1. Cindy_Hepp
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Top 8.   Apr 14, 1999 10:49 AM

» Cindy_Hepp - Catering to Monarchs and more

Hi Everyone,

Naomi, what a wonderful article! Very informative, accurate, and interesting. So many people include the beautiful nectar plants in their gardens, but overlook the host plants. Probably the hardest thing for most gardeners to adjust to is the look of ragged, chewed leaves on their plants! For those of you who are interested in adding milkweed (Asclepias) to your garden, I have a few bits of advice.

For fast-growing annual milkweed, try Asclepias currassavica. It is actually a tender perennial in warm-winter areas, but is grown as an annual in most of the U.S. 'Sunset' variety has red/orange/yellow blossoms, while 'Silky Gold' has yellow blossoms. Both reach about 3-3 1/2 feet tall.

My favorite perennial milkweed is Asclepias incarnata, also known as Swamp Milkweed. The 'Ice Ballet' variety has white blossoms, though pink varieties are more commonly found. Both grow in clumps and are not considered invasive. They are a very pleasing addition to a butterfly garden.

As a monarch breeder, common milkweed, Asclepias syriaca is a lifesaver - simply because its leaves are huge! Those monarch caterpillars love to eat, and the larger the leaves, the fewer times you have to replenish food supply. However, it can be very aggressive. I wouldn't recommend it in a smaller garden unless you sink a large pot in the ground and plant the common milkweed in it. It can spread rather rapidly by underground runners. It actually prefers disturbed areas with poor soil, so you'll frequently see it growing by roadsides, railroads, pastures, etc.

Very often, you will find Asclepias tuberosa, 'Butterfly Weed' or 'Orange Butterfly Weed' in garden centers. It is actually not the favorite of the monarch. Granted, it is a milkweed, they will lay eggs on it, and the caterpillars will eat it, but given an alternative in the region, the monarchs will choose another plant on which to lay. Caterpillars will also choose other species of milkweed to eat when given a choice as well.

As for disappearing caterpillars, mentioned in a previous posting: They probably fell victim to a predator of some sort. Though they do taste bad to birds, certain insects will still lay eggs inside the caterpillars. When those eggs hatch, the resulting larvae feeds on the caterpillar, killing it. Also, some birds have been seen eating monarch caterpillars and adults in spite of the bad taste and toxin of the milkweed. Insects are not affected by the toxins of the milkweed and many such as praying mantises will eat the caterpillars as well. Most eggs layed by butterflies will never result in adults due to predation, natural selection, and/or pesticides often used in gardening. That's most likely the reason that butterflies can lay hundreds of eggs.

To bring in other butterflies, investigate what their caterpillars eat, and add some of those plants into your garden. Females can detect a host plant from a great distance away. Check the undersides of leaves for eggs. Females will light on a leaf, curl their abdomens under, and deposit an egg on the underside of the leaf. They are often found singly, but certain species lay them in clusters.

I'm looking forward to further postings and discussing butterfly rearing and gardening with all of you!

Cindy Hepp
Milkweed Cafe
http://www.milkweedcafe.com

-- posted by Cindy_Hepp



Top 9.   Apr 15, 1999 11:47 AM

» Naomi_Mathews - Hi there Cindy! Thank you so much for the info...

about the different kinds of "milkweed" you are so familiar with and that you shared with us. I saw some great photos of the "currassavica" asclepias while surfing the 'Net last evening. I like this one a lot, and will see if our local nursery carries that one. Actually, in looking closely at its blossoms, their color is very similar to one of my favorite climbing roses called "Joseph's Coat." This rose is spectacular and blooms all summer. So I suppose I could "live with" the colors of the "currassavica" for the sake of my Monarhs. Another benefit for me at least, would be that you say it's fast growing. And I definitely don't want an invasive variety. Also, the height of this one would be appropriate for planting between or near my new Buddleias.

The "Ice Ballet" (asclepias incarnata) sounds like a pretty one, although I personally prefer the pink blossoms of the Swamp Milkweed. Many gardeners do plant the incarnata for Monarchs, and have really good luck.

I'll bet those Monarch caterpillars DO eat you out of house and home, Cindy! What fun you must have raising Monarchs. And I LOVE your web site, it's really cool and has a lot of good info on it.

Thanks so much for sharing with us, Cindy. And do stop back often! You're always welcome here in my "Butterfly-Hummer Hangout!" (-:

-- posted by Naomi_Mathews



Top 10.   Apr 16, 1999 6:19 AM

» terri_in_pa - butterfly weed

Naomi,
the butterfly weed that my monarchs were on wasnt the one with the orange flowers...Here it is called "ice plant" and it grows very tall and has small white flowers. I do have the one with the orange flowers but no one has visited that one yet. I will be putting one in the pole garden as well. One more thing, no alcepsis transplants well, they have a taproot and they are hard to move once they have settled in.

-- posted by terri_in_pa



Top 11.   Apr 16, 1999 11:23 AM

» Naomi_Mathews - Hi Terri, and thanks for the info about...

which kind of asclepia you had the best luck with! I can see I've got some serious planning to do before I decide on which variety to put with my new buddleias. I find it rather intriguing as to why some Monarchs like the white, some like the pink, and still others like the yellow-orange asclepia. As to tap roots and transplanting these guys, I'm glad you told me this! I will be really careful now as to where I put them. I am so anxious to get at least these three or four plants in the ground! I'm faithfully watering my buddleias that I got for my birthday until I can plant those. We're having our fence painted today and tomorrow, then major edging and tall tree trimming next week Tuesday. THEN--watch out, cuz Naomi's going to be PLANTING!

Terri, I found the sweetest little hummer feeder this week at a birdhouse-butterfly-nature store in a small town near us. It's small, but perfect for setting inside my GAZEBO bird feeder. The gazebo feeder is the one I posted a photo of in a previous article (about butterfly houses). We don't feed our birds in there in the summer at all as they're so messy and really don't need us to feed them in summer. And I'm pretty sure butterflies will find this one there too! It will be interesting to see if my hummers will find it there!

I'll keep everyone posted as to what I end up with in the "asclepia" family! (-:

-- posted by Naomi_Mathews



Top 12.   Apr 19, 1999 1:38 PM

» Sarah_Sunn - Fuzzy-Wuzzy's

Another work of art, Sis. I've been away from my computer for a few days - today is my catch-up day. Great article as usual. It's always amazed me that an wiggly, squiggly caterpillar could ever turn into such a beautiful creature as the butterfly.

It is quite similar to how God can take an ungrateful creature called man, and by a simple act of salvation turn him into a beautiful creation for His enjoyment. Hubby preached last night about the love relationship between God and Man, how the new man emerges from the old. Quite parallel to the caterpillar and the monarch! What an awesome God we have.

Keep up the good work. So far I haven't seen any hummers or butterflies. It has turned cool again, maybe they are still hybernating somewhere. So your neighbor thinks you've taken leave of your senses? Well, she is probably envious of your beautiful yard.

Love Ya,

-- posted by Sarah_Sunn



Top 13.   Apr 19, 1999 7:50 PM

» Naomi_Mathews - Hey Sis! Missed you while you were gone...

Thanks for coming back! Always enjoy your comments. And yes--the metamorphosis of the butterfly is very often likened to the "new life in Christ" that we find when we become "new creatures in Christ Jesus!" I've always thought that about butterflies, and maybe that's why I like this topic and those "flying flowers" so much!

As to my neighbor -- well, she's a whole 'nother story! You won't believe what she DID when I wasn't home, or maybe even when I was asleep! Sis, you've seen my lovely row of beautiful boxwood that we planted between our yard and the one next door. Since the yard goes down hill from where we left off with the fence, we decided a dozen lovely DWARF boxwoods would make the perfect break between our yard and their driveway.

And so it did--and my boxwoods grew and waxed strong over the past five years with no problems. They've been admired by every neighbor on the block. That is--until SHE moved next door! Now, I'm not much given to complaining about neighbors, and I always try to be nice to them. Wave, say good morning or good evening, share a few stories with them now and then, even share my posies and rosies with them!

But who doesn't like my boxwood? You've got it! My next door neighbor! Since she had already informed me she didn't know a flower from a weed (last year!) I was a bit wary of her from the beginning. I just knew she had her eye on MY boxwoods. Believe me, they are NOT on her property...no siree! Besides, they aren't even that big! Just nice and green and pretty.

As I was taking a nice long walk this past Saturday since it was a beautiful sunny day, I looked toward my boxwood from HER side. To my absolute horror, I saw they had been "pruned" (that is shaved FLAT) on what she apparently thinks is "her side" (of my plants) all the way from one end to the other! And all done without asking me, and doing it while I was nowhere around to cry out in protest!

Now I ask you -- was that a neighborly thing to do? I must admit, I was more than a bit perturbed. I've been looking at them every day since, seeing how lopsided they now look, and wanting to cry! Will that help? No--but I've come to a better conclusion, one I had hoped to avoid. MORE FENCE will be going up before too long. I'll leave the boxwood there and place a fence just behind them, thus hiding her driveway from my view--and my lovely boxwood from hers.

What other choice does a nice "butterfly gal" like me have? It's either that, or have very lopsided boxwoods from now on. If she did this once, I'm sure she'll do it again!

Sometimes I wish we lived way out on the back "forty" Sis--like when we were kids and our closest neighbors were a mile away! That was a little bit of heaven in my opinion. How about you?

Glad to hear your flowers are doing good. Mine are still growing in the greenhouse, as it's still too cold for tender transplants. Haven't seen any butterflies or hummers yet either! Have two feeders out though! It shan't be long now.

-- posted by Naomi_Mathews



Top 14.   Apr 22, 1999 6:44 PM

» Sarah_Sunn - What A Nasty Neighbor~~

Hi, Sis. I can't believe your neighbor would want "her" side of the boxwood to look as awful as I imagine that it does. They were so beautiful and fit so well in that corner without actually fencing off any view down the street. If I live to be a hundred, which I hope I don't, I'll never understand those kind of people. Other than nearly killing that beautiful Climbing Joseph Coat you gave me a couple years ago while spraying his fruit trees, our biggest annoyance is the ever increasing dog population - or should I say "poopulation." Sometimes it seems we live next to a kennel. Last year it was the neighbors 18, yes 18 cats fertilizing my tiny flower bed - I finally gave up. This year it's the new neighbor's dog who jumps the fence for his daily dododuties. After all you can't dodo in your own yard if you're a good dog, right? He's big as a colt, so you can imagine the rest of the story.

By the way, the goslings are hatching by the hundreds!

Aaron got me a cute little sticky poster for my office "So I'm not Perfect - Adjust". I keep trying!

Love Ya,
Little Sis

-- posted by Sarah_Sunn



Top 15.   May 2, 2001 11:57 AM

» Lollipop5 - where to purchase milkweed???

I live in southern California and want to know where I can find/purchase milkweed for my Monarch's that will emerge in about 10 days. I bought the 'pillars from a local butterfly breeder an hour's drive away. The little guys ate every leaf on the plant. I'd like to see the entire life cylcle from egg to adult. I think it will survive but definitely won't have enough leaves to feed at least one caterpillar. Any help is greatly appreciated.

-- posted by Lollipop5



Top 16.   May 25, 2001 9:17 PM

» abengaluva - purchasing caterpillars

Hello! I would like to grow butterflies as an educational activity with my children. Where can I purchase the caterpillars? Thanks in advance for your help!

-- posted by abengaluva



Top 17.   May 27, 2001 9:03 AM

» Naomi_Mathews - Re: purchasing caterpillars

In response to message posted by abengaluva:

Hello, and thanks for stopping by!

Here is a link that advertises caterpillars/butterfly kits that should help you get started in growing butterflies with your children. This link provides a lot of information -- especially about Monarch butterflies.

http://www.milkweedcafe.com/

The "Milkweed Cafe" is also listed on my list of links on my welcome page, as well as many other butterfly sites you will find most helpful for doing a butterfly project.

It's great that you want your children to have this experience -- I wish you the best of luck! Thanks again for your visit and your question. And, do stop by again.

Naomi ~~

-- posted by Naomi_Mathews



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