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» hawknut - Hitler's Jesus
An interesting site: Was Hitler a Christian?http://kevin.davnet.org/essays/hitler.ht...
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by only a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned me to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love, as a Christian and as a man, I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord rose at last in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was the fight for the world against the Jewish poison." - Adolph Hitler
(A Psychological Analysis of Adolph Hitler: His Life and Legend, Walter C. Langer, Office of Strategic Services, Washington, D.C. - M.N.O. 26)
From "Conclusions":
"Hitler considered himself religious, but had only contempt for organized religion and the teachings of the church about Jesus. Hitler had his own private view of Jesus, that of an economic revolutionary and Jew hater. So in some twisted sense Hitler thought he was acting in the tradition of Jesus. If the question is, "can someone read the New Testament and then go off and do horribly bad things?" then the answer is yes. If the question is "was Hitler in the tradition of mainstream Christianity" then the answer is no."
-- posted by hawknut
» Franc28 - Re: Hitler's Jesus
In response to Hitler's Jesus posted by hawknut:Hawknut, that's a pretty bad essay. Hitler was a Christian by any normal sense of the word, and this guy tries to redefine it as his own version of the "tradition of mainstream Christianity" so that his camp is not stuck with Hitler.
He believed in God, he believed in Jesus as saviour, and I assume he believed in salvation. The fact that he was against the Church and ITS traditions has no bearing on this issue.
-- posted by Franc28
» Pinky102 - Re: Re: Hitler's Jesus
In response to Re: Hitler's Jesus posted by Franc28:That's true in so far as that's the way he got started in his climb for power. That's why I said that people like Wendell are such dangerous persons. Once they get into positions of power, you can kiss your ass goodbye unless you bow to their system of belief. Then, you might as well have kissed it goodbye because it will have belonged to them.
That's what happened in Nazi Germany. By the time they figured out that "Church, Children and Kitchen" was just a slogan to suck the gullible in, it was too late. Hitler had become the knight in shinning armor to all the conservatives. Liberals were sent to concentration camps where they either worked for the cause or they were starved to death. No fat people were found among the piles of rotting corpses in those camps.
-- posted by Pinky102
» EvilChihuahua - Re: Re: Hitler's Jesus
In response to Re: Hitler's Jesus posted by Franc28:If Hitler was a Christian, then why was he so willing to reject God through his actions?
As I've already said, he also believed in Evolution.
Hitler was just as much a Christian as Wendell is a Hindu.
-- posted by EvilChihuahua
» dancooper - Re: Too Close To The Trees
In response to Re: Re: Re: Too Close To The Trees posted by _Boanerges_:“…people will use Christianity to get into position, and from there, they turn [to other ways]”
But why do you suppose that people “use Christianity” to influence people in this deceitful way? Could it be that this might be the easiest way to dupe a great number of people, especially those who are most easily duped—by those espousing Christianity?
Nah. Of course not. How foolish of me to think such a thing.
Dan Cooper
CE, Vintage and Classic Cars
Guest author, Fake News
-- posted by dancooper
» dancooper - Too close--definitely too close
“Too close,” continued…Certainly does sound like some (recently popular) current ‘world leaders.’ Oh, but that’s such balderdash! Certainly, people who espouse Christianity can’t be that evil, can they? After all, how could they? Citing the Lord, and all…
Dan Cooper
CE, Vintage and Classic Cars
Guest author, Fake News
-- posted by dancooper
» _Boanerges_ - Re: Re: Too Close To The Trees
In response to Re: Too Close To The Trees posted by dancooper: Could it be that this might be the easiest way to dupe a great number of people
I think you are exactly right...
especially those who are most easily duped—by those espousing Christianity?
not even close... the vast majority of the Western world (at that time) was Christian... Probably the same could be said today, hence the reason the foolish believe that Christians run our government.....
So we agree.. minus the bias you seem to demonstrate towards Christianty. I don't know of one 'educated' person who actually believes for one minute that Hitler was a Christian... laughable at least, absurd to be sure... contrary to the historical record to be certain...
-- posted by _Boanerges_
» Franc28 - Re: Too close--definitely too close
In response to Too close--definitely too close posted by dancooper:You can't believe how glad I am to see an atheist around here.
-- posted by Franc28
» hawknut - Re: Re: Hitler's Jesus
In response to Re: Hitler's Jesus posted by Franc28:Hawknut, that's a pretty bad essay.
Perhaps. But he does represent some of the same opinions which have been expressed here by some Christians.
this guy tries to redefine it as his own version of the "tradition of mainstream Christianity" so that his camp is not stuck with Hitler.
The 'camp' is stuck with Hitler, nonetheless. Hitler openly professed his beliefs. Whether some consider them nonChristian is a matter of opinion.
I'm not so sure Hitler was as twisted as the essay author would have us believe - given the attitudes of that time period (and even today). Back then, many Catholics and Christians shared his opinions of the Jews (and other races), and believed that Jesus' words supported those opinions. It's only recently that the Vatican has 'redefined' the Catholic 'tradition' of anti-semitism, published an official apology paper, and now aspouses tolerance.
Today, extremist groups professing Christianity base their racial hatreds on ~their interpretations~ of what Jesus said.
You might not like this site either, but I'm posting it regardless:
http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue6...
"Some white extremist groups, such as Aryan Nations, cloak themselves in religion, particularly Christianity, to bolster their claims. Others, such as the World Church of the Creator, bash Christianity, preferring instead their own version of a whites-only Godliness. It is interesting that many extremists call themselves reverend, such as the Reverend Matt Hale of the World Church of the Creator and Reverends Mike Teague and Richard Butler of the Aryan Nations. Religious arguments, which may appeal to some adolescents, often appeal to divine authority, as in this example:
"WE BELIEVE [sic] that the Cananite Jew is the natural enemy of our Aryan (White) race. This is [sic] attested by scripture and all secular history. The Jew is like a destroying virus that attacks our racial body to destroyer [sic] Aryan culture and the purity of our Race. Those of our Race who resist these attacks are called "chosen and faithful" John 8:44; 1Thessalonians 2:15; Revelations 17:14." (Aryan Nation, no date, p. 3).
Aryan Nations also uses the Bible to sanction action: "Psalm 149:6 Let the high Praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand... ." (Aryan Nations, no date, p. 2). Stormfront uses biblical scriptures to justify its racial philosophy and to encourage action. At Stormfront, Christ is portrayed as anti-Semitic (Stormfront, 14 August 2000)."
-- posted by hawknut
» hawknut - Re: And lastly...
In response to Re: Re: Hitler's Jesus posted by hawknut:Read Hitler's own words here...
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
Hitler's Christianity
"To deny the influence of Christianity on Hitler and its role in World War II, means that you must ignore history and forever bar yourself from understanding the source of German anti-Semitism and how the WWII atrocities occurred.
By using historical evidence of Hitler's and his henchmen's own words, this section aims to show how mixing religion with politics can cause conflicts, not only against religion but against government and its people. This site, in no way, condones Nazism, Neo-Nazism, fascist governments, or anti-Semitism, but instead, warns against them."
-- posted by hawknut
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