The Four Silver Bullets (II)
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» spiritalk - Re: Silver Bullets
In response to Silver Bullets posted by Pinky102:Actually I did read about an interesting study taking place in Texas. The idea was to go to the smallest possible existence. As the study continued to examine the tiniest, minutest existence, they came to a point of where creation must exist. Guess what, the funding ran out!
Now that is my remembrance of the article I read, perhaps in my simple terms. As I have recently gone through a move, I cannot find the resource. Perhaps I should unload some of those boxes. LOL 
God bless, J
-- posted by spiritalk
» Pinky102 - Intentions
In response to Re: Silver Bullets posted by spiritalk:Even Wayne Dyer's concept of intentions leaves the question about creation unanswered.
If creation came about as a result of some intention, where did the existence come from that had the intention?
It sounds like going for the tiniest existence might be a good place to start.
The Eastern concept that existence comes and goes like the blooming and fading of a flower is interesting--the idea that existence has always happened and always will happen that it comes and goes and comes and goes for ever and ever and ever without ever ending or ever having begun.
-- posted by Pinky102
» Franc28 - Link error !
In response to Link error posted by hawknut:Oh yes, the link is now at strongatheism.NET instead of .COM. That's my mistake.
As for the question of where the matter and energy came from, I already answered that. It always existed. And there was no matter or energy of the kind we see today - all these structures we see around us are the result of symmetry breaks at the first moments of the Big Bang.
-- posted by Franc28
» Pinky102 - Re: Link error !
In response to Link error ! posted by Franc28:"As for the question of where the matter and energy came from, I already answered that. It always existed. And there was no matter or energy of the kind we see today - all these structures we see around us are the result of symmetry breaks at the first moments of the Big Bang."
Now, you have to accept the fact that I'm not saying you are wrong in your statement--however determined it is.
It is no more possible to say that a "thing" or "things" always existed than it is to say that "God created it all in six days." Of course, both statements can easily be made.
Maybe how things got to be isn't the sensible road of inquiry. Maybe the better track would be, "Now that we're here, what should we be doing about it?".
The one thing that is for sure--seems to me--is that each one of us tries to make some meaning out of our existence. If we can pin it to a book, then that's how we get to know our purpose and thereby our identity. However we put it together, we strive to put meaning into our every day existence. People born into Eastern mythology/philosophy don't seem to struggle so much about life's meanings. It's the Western thinker who takes responsibility for the self--who says, "I am the one who makes the decisions on which I live out my life." The Atheist no less and no more than the Christian.
Somehow, the hold organized religion imposes on society has to be broken. Even so, religious people must exercise their right to believe what they believe.
-- posted by Pinky102
» Franc28 - Re: Re: Link error !
In response to Re: Link error ! posted by Pinky102:"It is no more possible to say that a "thing" or "things" always existed"
Sure it is. Existence is absolute. Any denial of this fact is contradictory, since you'd have to exist and so would your evidence/argument.
To deny that existence is absolute, is to reify non-existence. God's properties are the equivalent of non-existence : invisible, non-causal, immaterial, unlimited. Once you accept this, you've fallen down the semantic game of theism.
-- posted by Franc28
» Pinky102 - Theism
In response to Re: Re: Link error ! posted by Franc28:If you're going to quote me and give an answer, you ought to at least give my quote accurately. I didn't say it isn't possible to say that a "thing" or "things" always existed. I said it is no more possible to claim that than to claim what the religionists say. The authority of one is no greater than the authority of the other. For a Christian to say, in the beginning the earth was without form and void, is exactly the same thing you say about things before the "Big Bang" gave everything its symetry.
Or, how is what you say different? It reads that you are saying something happened to bring about the Big Bang. The Christian just gives that "something" an identity of being and calls it "God". Have you heard about the Shekinah theory that is part of the theology of some Jewish thinkers on the creation? I'm sure you know there are Christians who don't believe in the theistic god of the bible and that there are Christian agnostics.
-- posted by Pinky102
» Neria - Thanks Guys!
I'm reading...keep writing. Now, we are getting somewhere...thank you!Please keep going...I am always learning.
My thinking includes all of what you are talking about; I just tend to go with the more common thing I see and hear in every day life. And, I have never seen any body perform any magic that was not an illusion. I am suspicious of anything that I don't see in nature...already.
Our actions can be seen...we all know what hurts and what doesn't.
All i said was that we are part of nature...we came out of it. Your heart cannot beat without energy...and...blood while the soul is in the flesh.
Nature has its own methods of wiping out things that make it sick. Our storms are one of those methods. When we came along...mental health was linked to that physical requirement for a healthy environment. Our choices are what brings about our outcomes.
And, I'm asking...where does intelligence go; and who is the oldest? If you read what I've written...it's very old and we've been told in many ways. We have also been told that few will understand. I think it's a matter of going back to the basics of nature...for instance, you cannot inject a human body with just any type of blood. It must be a healthy match to succeed.
Just like our bodies were limited by flesh; so the big reptiles were disinfected. Nothing about nature is instantaneous...Eternity is a long time.
-- posted by Neria
» plox - Re: Thanks Guys!
In response to Thanks Guys! posted by Neria:I know it sounds catty, but honestly, it's nice to see that you can talk just like anyone else!
Poetical proclamation has it's place, but it doesn't often make for interactive conversations.
btw, you said you were raised in a time when women and children shouldn't be heard. You are younger than most of the people on this thread, so you can't blame your upbringing on "the times".
-- posted by plox
» Neria - Two sides of a generation
Rock and roll was just getting started and had some churches pretty upset with it! And, I grew with grandparents who were children during the depression when you were lucky to have meat at your table.I grew smack in the middle of free love. I'll bet I graduated with one of...the first...unwed mothers to ever be seen in a high school. Most were shipped to homes by proud religious parents; and their children given to adoption.
-- posted by Neria
» Neria - Two sides of a generation
Rock and roll was just getting started and had some churches pretty upset with it! And, I grew with grandparents who were children during the depression when you were lucky to have meat at your table.I grew smack in the middle of free love. I'll bet I graduated with one of...the first...unwed mothers to ever be seen in a high school. Most were shipped to homes by proud religious parents; and their children given to adoption.
By the way, blaming others is exactly my point; and why I left for awhile. It is our own choices that makes us healthy or unhealthy. Those who leave early are taken care of; but, not with hocus pocus. We are not alone.
Not all intelligence dies with the flesh. However, not all will live for Eternity either. It will always be our innermost choice that decides our life or death. Mental and physical health are linked whether we choose it or not.
You don't want to get me started on the racial subject; I believe I made my anger toward that clear earlier.
-- posted by Neria
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