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The Heretic King
This archived discussion is "read only". « Previous 1 2 Next » » Southpaw_dingo - Tut Amenhotep III was the father of Ahknaten (Amenhotep IV). Tutankhaten (Tutankhamen) was most likely Ahknaten's second son, Smenkare was the older son who died after a short co-regency with his father. Tut married his half sister Ankhesenpaaten (daughter of Ahknaten and Nefertiti) and ruled for 10 years. He died at age 18 or so and Aye (Eye, or Ay), his royal visier and his fathers, married Ankhesenpaaten and became Pharaoh. She disappeared, Aye died after 4 years (he was quite old) and Horemheb, formerly Tut's military leader and high ranking official,(general) became Pharaoh. Horemheb is the one that had anyone associated with the "Amarna Revolution" (Ahknaten's religious and social revolution) deleted from history. He started counting his reign from year 30 instead of year 1, enveloping all three reigns (Ahknaten, Tutankhamen, and Aye) since Amenhotep III. He took their names off the List of Kings and replaced their names with his almost everywhere. He had Ahknaten's city (commonly called Amarna) destroyed and used the stone to build other cities. Too wordy perhaps, but this is the best guess to date.-- posted by Southpaw_dingo » IsisXXXGrtOne - Akhenaten and Moses Have any of you read the book "Historical Deception of Ancient Egypt" by Moustafa Gadalla? The book makes outstanding claims like how Moses and Akhenaton are one and the same and how Tutankamun is Jesus Christ and how Amenhotep 3 is Abraham and how Joseph is Yuya. If you haven't read it, you should. It's fun to read. And if you want more info on the book, e-mail me. mailto:IsisXXXGrtOne@hotmail.com-- posted by IsisXXXGrtOne » Shnishy - Shnishy I just noticed some of the notices placed here mentioned theories as though they were facts.I believe that it was not Tutankhamun that erased Akhenaten names, but one of his successors (possibly Ay or Horemheb) for they wanted to remove the name of the heretical king. Anyway the thing I wanted to point out was that Smenkhare was he succeeding pharoah of Akhenaten. However there is little evidence which points to it being Akhenaten's son or brother. Indeed , there is much dispute not only over who Smenkhare was, but over gender as well. The best supported theories are those that place Smenkhare as Nefertiti ( this is the theory I beleive to have the most accredited evidence behind it) , a lesser wife Kiye, or one of Akhenaten's daughters Meretaten. -- posted by Shnishy » Djehuty - Akhenaten Smenkhare was indeed the succesor to Akhenaten. His reign was short and his exact identity remains unknown. He seems to have been to old to be a son of Akhenaten, although that possibility is not ruled out. He was probably a relative of Akhenaten, and his religious affiliations are uncertain (whether he kept the cult of Aten or reinstated the cult of Amun). It is even possible that Smenkhare was actually Nefertiti, the beautiful first wife of Akhenaten. Ancient Egyptian records give us little clues regarding to his (or her) reign, since the period was largely shunned and then forgotten by later Pharaohs.Smenkhare was succeeded by Tutankamun, a minor but now famous Pharaoh. During his reign, the cult of Amun was fully reinstated, although it seems as if Aten was not totally rejected, as objects bearing the name and symbol of the Aten (a sun disk with rays ending in hands) were found in his tomb. Also, the Aten form of his name (Tutankhaten) and that of his wife (Ankhesenamun, formerly Ankhesenpaaten). It is probable that Tutankamun was crowned at Amarna (or Akhetaten, the Horizon of the Aten) but, after the death of his probable father, Akhenaten (Tutankamun's ancestry is uncertain), moved to Thebes, the center of the cult of Amun. -- posted by Djehuty » Maeric - Smenkhare I'm wondering about the true identity of Smenkhare/Smenkhkare as it seems there is much confusion in what I read. One source says he is son of Akhenaten while others say he is brother. There is uncertainty as to his age, death and regency also . It makes me wonder if we are talking about two people here; one a brother and another a son to Akhenaten yet both sharing a similar name. In the same way names are shared today (Bill... Bill Jr... Bill III, etc) would this be possible in ancient Egypt?Have any theories put this forth that anyone knows of? -- posted by Maeric » Djehuty - Information on Ay Like the rest of Tutankhamun's family, Ay is a somewhat mysterious character. About all that is known for certain about him is that he reigned from 1323-1319 B.C. He is thought to have been much older than Tutankhamun, perhaps an uncle of his or an older son of Akhenaten. He seems to have been firmly against the worship of the Aten and it may have been the wholesale destruction of Akhenaten's monumunents began under his reign. Another interesting theory, though based solely on conjecture and a few educated guesses, is that Ay had Tutankhamun murdered. From a historical standpoint, it appears that Ay, whoever he was, would have had the most to gain and the least to lose in the event of the young pharaoh's death.-- posted by Djehuty » Djehuty - Re: Smenkhare In response to message posted by Maeric:I would find it highly unlikely that there were two Smenkhares. For one reason, there just isn't room for two of them in the historical record. Though there are many inconsistencies in the record, this seems hardly enough evidence to conclude that there were two people named Smenkhare. Another reason is that Smenkhare is a somewhat unusual name. There are many common names that appear again and again in the historical record, such as Amenhotep, Djehuty, and Rahotep. Smenkhare appears only once in an isolated historical context. To conclude, I believe that there was only one Smenkhare, regardless of who he (or she) was. -- posted by Djehuty » kaylegal - Re: Ay, Horemheb In response to the messages above, either Ay or Horemheb were under great pressure from the many priests in Egypt who opposed monotheism because priests became wealthy from contributions of the faithful to their gods. Monotheism meant that the contributions dropped off considerably and made everyone unhappy except ahknaten of course. Whoever (possibly) killed King Tut is probably the one who eradicated all signs of Ahknaten's rule. I believe that whoever did that missed one rendering of Ahknaten's name and I believe it is at the top of a pillar at Karnak. Not sure, correct me if I am wrong. It seems to me that everytime I pick up another book on Egypt, the names are slightly different, different spellings, different pronunciations. If we can't be consistent about that, then it's no wonder there are many things that we can only guess at.-- posted by kaylegal » kisa - Re: Information on Ay In response to message posted by Djehuty:Just finished reading "The murder of Tutankhamen" BY Bob Brier, he concludes, given the evidence, that Ay murdered not only TUT, but also the Hittie prince and Ankhesenamen. He also believes Tut is the son of Akhenaten and his minor wife Kiya. -- posted by kisa « Previous 1 2 Next » Please follow the guidelines set forth in the Suite101 Posting Etiquette when adding to the discussion. |
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