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Jul 29, 2007

What Happened to the M14 rifle?

The M14 was the standard service rifle of the US military for a couple years. They were produced from July 1959 to June 1964. Records show that some 1,380,358 M14 rifles were made. The M16 was ordered as a replacement for the brand new M14 by direction of Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara starting in 1966. By 1970 the barley used weapon had been largely replaced in active duty. The National Guard discontinued using the weapon by 1980. No less than 479,367 M14 rifles were destroyed in 1993-94 and an unknown number were de-milled (cut with a blowtorch and welded shut) then transferred to JROTC units as drill weapons. Over 321,905 surplus arms were exported to foreign militaries under the Excess Defense Articles program and others. These were largely transferred abroad to Greece, Israel, the Philippines, South Vietnam, Taiwan, Turkey, Venezuela, Columbia, Iceland (which doesn’t have a military), and Lebanon in the 1970s and 1980s and the new Baltic countries of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia in the 1990's.

Today the US military has less than 10% of the original M14 production left in its depots. The navy has replaced most of the 2000 M14s in their inventory with M16s just this year but plans to keep a couple M-14 rifles on board each ship to shoot lines (ropes). The Air Force has 3,500 M-14s listed in their arsenals. Most of these are for base honor guards but a few do see service with deployed EOD units to blow up things from a distance.

The US Army still has 22,660 of the rifles in use and another 87,462 of all grades in storage. The Rock Island Arsenal converted 1,435 M14 National Match variant rifles to M21 sniper rifles with ART scopes in 1969. The M21 was the Army's dedicated sniper rifle until 1988 when it was replaced by the M24 bolt action rifle (based on the Remington 700). The M14 was dusted off again during the Global War on Terrorism to serve again in a sniper role. A number of the weapons in active issue are the designated marksmen rifles (DMR). These rifles are given to platoon-level marksmen who have taken a two week course in battlefield long range fire. This concept has been used by the Warsaw Pact since the end of World War Two but is new to the US Army. This is different from the two man scout sniper teams (aka ‘real snipers’) popularized since Vietnam. The DMR rifle has been equipped with either a Leupold or Unertl ten power scope. The Marines also issue no less than 381 of these DMRs.

Besides the Corps of Cadets at West Point, Annapolis and the Air Force Academy, the 3rd United States Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard) keepers of Arlington National Cemetery is the sole remaining regular United States Army combat field unit where the M14 is still issued as the standard rifle.




Comments
Aug 28, 2008 8:17 PM
Guest :
I carried an M-14 in Vietnam while serving in the 3rd Marine Division from 1967 to 1968. This rifle, in my opinion, has no equal. That plastic piece of crap that supposedly "replaced it" should have been shoved up McNamara's ass.
Sep 2, 2008 2:01 PM
Guest :
I was in the very last Marine Corp basic training platoon(Charlie Company-San Diego USMCRD, California), graduating in August 1973, to carry the M14 rifle. We went to combat training and rifle range with the weapon. I also qualified as expert. Wish I could find one now at a cheap price.
Sep 14, 2008 7:08 AM
Guest :
I was an excellent marksman with the M-14 during basic training in Sep 1966. When I was about to ship out for vietnam, I had to train with the M-16. I have to agree...the M-14 was a rifle....the M-16 was a piece of crap.
Oct 11, 2008 6:30 PM
Guest :
I, too, used the M-14 while in the Marine Corps. The accuracy was great, considering we all had to qualify Off-hand at 100 yds, kneeling at 200 yds, sitting at 300 yds, and Prone at 500 yds. Wonder what I could do if I had a 6-24x50 scope on an M-14 now.
Oct 18, 2008 10:30 PM
Guest :
I trained in 1964 with the M-14. In Vietnam I was issued the same, with
active slector and bypod. I felt I had a chance. One day we were running tests, to show our ARVN friends, the effectiveness of rifles. We put a ammo can in front of a tree, then we shot one of their M1 Carbines, AK-47,M-16 & M-14. With no surprises, our results showed the(M-1)made a small hole in and out of said can, then stopped just bit inside the tree, (AK-47)produced the same pattern, but much deeper into the tree, (M-16)effected a small hole going in, with a larger exit, but stopped at tree with little penetration, (M-14)presented a small hole in and out of the can and also, throuth the tree, kicked dirt 50 yards down the line. You quickly learned, to bow your head when hearing a M-1 carbine or M-16, then bend over further at the sound of a AK-47, but, but, to lay flat at a M-14 report.
Oct 28, 2008 7:50 PM
Guest :
I too qualified expert on the M14 in Army basic in Jun 68 but in the final days of basic training, had to start getting to know the "poodle shooter"...M16. Having been a hunter since the age of 9, I hated this crappy little popgun. I was on my way to combat medic school and though I spent some time in VN, I also spent 18 months in a VN evac in Tokyo. It's hard to generalize about this but I think the M16 actually created a worse wound than the M14 in the survivable category. They could both take limbs, but I think the M16 did it in a more hideous way...peace and long life to all my brothers and sisters.
Nov 6, 2008 6:20 PM
Guest :
Like many others, I trained with the M-14 in the Army. While I never used the rifle in combat, it was the standart issue in early 1966. Having been a hunter, I found the rifle to be a very good one. In qualifying in basic, I did fine after the first mistakes. It seems that when initially zeroing our rifles, the guy next to me was shooting at my target. With the speed that we were having to qualify, they quickly set my sights. I was screwed up for a couple of weeks until they took me back to re-zero. Things were great after that.

Lesson: double-check.

Just this evening, an episode about Navy Seals on the Military channel indicated that many of their teams still use the M-14.
Dec 13, 2008 9:12 AM
Guest :
I was issued the M 14 in boot camp in March '69 and had it issued to me at every unit until the 2 week staging training prior to goin' to Nam in 1970. That was the first time I had a "16". Piece of crap! Too many parts to take apart if it jammed, especially carbon build up on the rim of the firing pin. You could throw a "14" in the mud and come back a week later and it would fire, try that with a "16". Of course that was nearly 40 yeras ago. maybe they and thier modified replacements (M 4?) are better than their predecessors.
Dec 18, 2008 1:27 PM
Guest :
Trained with the M14 in boot camp in 72 and fell in love with the weapon. Was finally able to but an M1A in 93. Never could stand the sound of the spring on the M16,
Jan 31, 2009 10:12 AM
Guest :
I watched two corpsmen pick up M-14's dropped by seriously wounded marines one of which was dropped in a rice paddy shake them out and start firing them until other marines picked up the supporting fire. so the docs could tend to the marines. I carried one for 3yrs 9mos. while i was in. Great weapon. Also ran into my hooch mate back in country and he was messed up in the head I asked him what happened he said the m-16 caused a lot of dead marines because it was a piece of shit
Jan 31, 2009 10:13 AM
Guest :
I watched two corpsmen pick up M-14's dropped by seriously wounded marines one of which was dropped in a rice paddy shake them out and start firing them until other marines picked up the supporting fire. so the docs could tend to the marines. I carried one for 3yrs 9mos. while i was in. Great weapon. Also ran into my hooch mate back in country and he was messed up in the head I asked him what happened he said the m-16 caused a lot of dead marines because it was a piece of shit
Feb 22, 2009 6:19 PM
Guest :
The M-14 (.308) was replaced by the M-16 (.223) for a few reasons. First of all, the firearm is much lighter so is the ammo. Next, all the parts on a M-16 are interchangable. One can be picked up off the ground and stripped for parts without any problem, and maintainence is very simple. Lastly, the idea is that a dead enemy takes one man off the battlefield, a wounded enemy takes five men off the battlefield. Thus, the .223 is meant to mortally wound rather than drop him dead.
Feb 27, 2009 12:24 PM
Guest :
To the Marine that graduated San Diego in 1973; We probably saw each other during basic. I was over on the Navy side :-) We used the M14 for traingin only (they don't let use swabbies carry weapons after boot camp except for MP duty)Great weapon. And thank you for being a Marine and serving our Country during a time when it wasn't so popular to serve..
Mar 1, 2009 7:52 PM
Guest :
I trained on the M-14 at Parris Island in 1962. It was a great weapon. When I got to Geiger I was issued an M1 Garand. I had the pleasure of having carried the two best combat weapons. I both these weapons were wood and steel NOT plastic. I would rather carry an M14 than a Buck Rogers plastic rifle.
Mar 9, 2009 9:25 AM
Guest :
I was Basic Infantry trained in Jan-Feb 68 at Ft. Gordon, GA using the M-14, shot expert. The M-16 was light, and flimsy with no comparable long range accuracy equal to the older rifle. So despite carrying the M-16 in Vietnam, and knowing it intimately, I'd love to locate a military spec M-14 in good condition, but the stupid government policy of destroying these excellent rifles rather than simply removing the full auto capability and charging the gunsmithing cost to buyers who would have flocked to get them, is all to typical of how the idiots run things. I own a new SA Super Match M-1A, yet continue to look around for the elusive Mil-Spec M-14 of my days in Basic training.
Mar 9, 2009 5:14 PM
Guest :
1969 Army basic training with the M14 and there was not a target I could not hit with just the field sight. If anyone knows where I can buy one send me an email: ingram4868@yahoo.com

BTW, I agree that AR15 and first issue M16 was junk
Mar 13, 2009 5:46 PM
Guest :
The zoomies don't even use it for drill any more just the Mids and Keydets. Love that rifle, wish I could find one I could afford.
Mar 14, 2009 1:46 AM
Guest :
I carried the 14 throughout basic in '73. I managed to confuse the heck out of the DI's because @ 100 yds I couldn't hit the impact zone, but from 500 yds I could pick a flea off of your shoulder...lol. I sure wish I could lay my hands on one, if anything just to polish it up and talk to my grandkids about it. Semper Fi
Mar 27, 2009 12:42 PM
Guest :
i used the m-14 in iraq and it is way better than that cheap piece of shit called the " m-16"
Mar 30, 2009 9:13 AM
Guest :
Actually the zoomies are still using M-14s for drill just like West Point and Annapolis does.
Apr 1, 2009 4:30 PM
Guest :
As far as U.S. Service Academies go, only USMA (West Point) equips the Corps of Cadets with the U.S. Rifle M14. USNA and USAFA carry M-1 Garands (USAFA actually started carrying rubber M-1s in the 90's, for "safety"!
The M14 is one helluva Rifle!
Apr 4, 2009 7:21 AM
Guest :
I also carried an m-14 in iraq, THERE IS NO EQUAL as far as a combat rifle is concerned. However there are better weapons to be employed as sniper rifles, i was running counter-sniper operations for the iraqi army, and the bolt action m-40 just wasnt gonna cut it for my purposes. recently picked up an SA SOCOM II, and i absolutly love it. unfortunatly thats as close as anyone is gonna get to the combat legend
Apr 17, 2009 12:32 AM
Guest :
I was born May 31, 1973. My mother's father worked on the design
of model 14/m14 with Mr. Garand. His name was Laurence Oscer
Laflin. It is a shame they never mention him, or the boys that
died while the m16 jammed do to upper recever not being plated.
The only problem with the model 14/m14 was stock swell in tropic theater.
I am not the only one that feels the change to the colt was a mistake.
the D.O.D will never own up to. I thank you all for the sacrifices you
had made in the name of freedom. I was crapping my diper wile you all got
delt something that was fubar. With the up most respect," Welcome home"!
thanks, Lawernce P. Minsky
Apr 28, 2009 5:09 PM
Guest :
the M14S DADDY THE M1 WAS THE FIRST GAS OPERATED SEMI AUTO ON THE BATTLEFIELD IN WW2, THE M14 WAS THE IMPROVED VERSION OF THE M1, AND HAD THE ADDITION OF AN IMPROVED GAS SYSTEM AND A 20 RD MAGAZINE..ITS A SHAME IT WAS ONLY USED FOR SUCH A SHORT TIME..I THINK IT WAS MOSTLY POLITICAL THAT IT WAS DONE AWAY WITH.. IT SEEMS LIKE MANY OF THE DISIGNERS ARE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM DIRECT GAS IMPINGEMENT SYSTEMS AND ARE ONCE AGAIN TRYING TO COME UP WITH A GAS/PISTON SYSTEM THAT COVERS ALL THE BASES, LIKE FASHION DESIGNERS MAYBE THE OLD M14 WILL COME BACK IN STYLE AND THEY CAN GIVE UP REINVENTING THE WHEEL...
May 1, 2009 6:47 AM
Guest :
I am very sadden to learn our government destroyed the M-14. I trained in USMC boot camp, infantry regiment training and individual combat skills school with he M-14. I carried the beast in Vietnam and can positively state without a doubt, there was no squad based rifle that could match its stopping power at the time. I always wondered what happen to these fine rifles because they never made it into the Civilian Marksmanship Programs. I remember six different times being ordered to report the armorer to replace it with an M-16 (the Mickey Mouse McNamara Mattel special). I was able to make it through two tours with the beast. I call it the beast because it was a B*T*H to carry with six fully loaded magazines sometimes. But it never let me down. I never got a chance to fire a US Military issue M-1 so my testimony stands based on my own personal experiences. The fact that I came home intact speaks volumes about a marine and a well maintain rifle can accomplish. To all men and women in any U.S. uniform who have stood the watch. Semper Fi.
Jun 18, 2009 2:24 PM
Guest :
ya this rifle seems sweet i wonder if you could us this as a hunting rifle
Jun 19, 2009 5:59 AM
Guest :
Gentlemen thank you for your service
Those looking for a M14 the closest you can get to the real deal is an LRB M14 with all US GI parts. You'll pay a pretty penny but it is a lot of rifle. You can buy a Springfield M1a but it isn't like the LRB ...a forged receiver and such ....fine rifle but not the same. It's a shame and a waste of our money that we aren't allowed to buy these beautiful rifles and that many were simply destroyed. It wouldn't taken that much effort or cost to make these non -auto and legal for us civilians.
I have shot both the M1a and the FAL and I have to say they each have their own pluses and minuses but the M14 is easier to hit with and that in end is what it is all about.
As for the 7.62x51 round......well when I hit the target stand at 500 yrds and it goes clean thru the regular steel tube and no doubt keeps going. there is no hiding from it unless you have armor plated steel. try that with a m16 !
Oct 19, 2009 11:40 PM
Guest :
I also was issued the great M14 in Army BCT, A-1-2, Fort Polk, Jun-Jul 68. Qualified Sharpshooter. Missed Expert by two because I kept shooting the 75m target in the lane to my right. Nailed it everytime. Everyone on the line was doing the same and the guy on my left missed nine out ten. Oh well, I saved the guy on my right from Bolo. Loved the 14 and M1 and got to like the 16 in time. Remember the M16 was another McNamara fubar. He forced it on the Military without proper R&D. The guys on the Wall and in the hospital did the R&D.
Oct 26, 2009 8:01 PM
Guest :
I Have been with the M-14 since 1966 USMC Boot Camp. I have used it the Guard for 10 years as an M21 and I compete on the state team with the m-14. Todate I still compete with the M1A NM I bought in 1967. I have rebarreled it three times and restocked three times. Finally I decided to design a stock that would bring the M-14 / M1A back into Combat at all levels. See My Billet Aluminum stock at wwww. Short Rifles.com I hate .22 for combat, they are only good for Varmits.
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