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It's All in the Family: The Elweans and Ingweans - Page 3


© Michael Martinez
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What we learn from these statements is all the Elves of Aman and Beleriand remembered the ancient divisions and told virtually the same stories about the three Elf-fathers. There is no indication that either Elwe or Ingwe were identified with Imin and Enel. In fact, the very absence of such identification works where the absence of denial fails. That is, if Tolkien didn't identify Enel with Elwe and Imin with Ingwe, we cannot assume that such an identification exists. The two absences don't cancel each other out. Rather, the statements of fact take precedence. Imin was an individual who awakened at Cuivienen, and his wife Iminye lay beside him. Ingwe is no longer said to have awakened at Cuivienen. In preparing The Silmarillion for publication, Christopher Tolkien carefully side-stepped the entire issue. He says nothing about who among the three Elf-kings may have awakened at Cuivienen. In "Of the Ruin of Doriath", which Christopher wrote with some help from Guy Gavriel Kay, Thingol proudly says to the Dwarves of Nogrod, "How do ye of uncouth race dare to demand aught of me, Elu Thingol, Lord of Beleriand, whose life began by the waters of Cuivienen years uncounted ere the fathers of the stunted people awoke?" Some people misread this passage, or elect to interpret it to mean that Thingol claims to have awakened at Cuivienen. But the text doesn't say he awakened there. It only says his life began there before the Dwarf-fathers awoke. Now, we don't know when the Dwarf-fathers awoke, but J.R.R. Tolkien's Elu Thingol most likely would not have made such a claim anyway. The original story from The Book of Lost Tales, "The Nauglafring", holds that Tinwelint (the precursor of Thingol) had fallen prey to Mim's curse on the hoard Hurin had taken from Nargothrond. Tinwelint contracted with Dwarves to shape the gold and place the Silmaril in the Nauglafring. Ufedhin, a Gnome (who evolved into the Noldor), arranged for the contract. But because Tinwelint had held him prisoner, Ufedhin asked the Dwarves to demand an insulting price for their work. The Dwarves made the request and Tinwelint had them and Ufedhin whipped. He then paid them common wages and forced them to pay for Ufedhin's food and lodging during the time he was a prisoner. The Dwarves and Ufedhin eventually left and plotted their revenge. They allied themselves with Orcs and attacked Artanor (Tinwelint's kingdom) while he was ridinng in the hunt, celebrating Beren's hunting of the wolf. Another Elf, overcome by lust for the cursed gold, helped Ufedhin enter Artanor without Gwendelin (Melian's) knowledge.

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10.   Nov 14, 2002 12:45 PM
In response to message posted by Michael_Martinez:
Maybe Celeborn stayed in Middle -earth not only to look after his grandchildren. He might have been the person to "close the door" of the epoch of e ...

-- posted by rishade


9.   Nov 14, 2002 11:49 AM
In response to message posted by Armenelos:

Thanks for the apology. It's okay to quote the first few paragraphs of an article and then ...


-- posted by Michael_Martinez


8.   Nov 13, 2002 11:51 PM
this is a most excellent article. i've read two of yours so far (the other i posted on Tolkien Online without asking, even though I gave you credit, and for which I am very sorry), and I have fully ag ...

-- posted by Armenelos


7.   Jan 10, 2002 10:47 AM
Hmmm, rteed, yes one feels for Elrond, but if we go down that path, what about poor Celebrian? First captured and tortured by orcs and is so traumatized by the events she insists on leaving Middle Ea ...

-- posted by celebrian


6.   Jan 7, 2002 8:26 PM
The information on Celeborn and Elrond's sons during the 4th age is at the end of the Prologue in "The Fellowship of the Ring". Arwen's story and more about her relationship with Aragon can be found ...

-- posted by rteed





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